1 Thessalonians 4:17


#1

Hello guys,
What does this passage really mean. Does it in any way point to the rapture?


#2

What do you mean by “the rapture” @AlexausXanda ?


#3

By “rapture” i mean what Pentecostals await


#4

I think what @Rob2 is asking is what is your definition of the “rapture”.

That being said, yes the words “caught up” do mean “raptured” but not in the same way as the 20th century invention of the “rapture” like we see in movies like “Left Behind”.

All St. Paul is telling us here is that when Christ returns there will still be people alive on earth. These living people will not need to die first. They will be “caught up” (raptured) with Christ before they die. They, the saved living believers, like the dead saints, will be instantly glorified, given new bodies and made immortal. The early Church fathers understood it in this light and and correlate it to the prophetic reading in…

1 Corinthians 15:51-53

51 Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality.

As for the meaning of rapture that includes Christ returning and reigning for 1000 years or some great Battle between the ones not taken and the antichrist, that’s not nor has ever been Catholic teaching it is a 20th century invention,

Hope this helps,

God Bless


#5

Just wanted to add that John Martignoni has a pretty good talk on the rapture and the BIble…

http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/download


#6

This is from the Catholic Answers Website on the Rapture:

https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-rapture

“As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial”…” though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.

With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—“we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur ])."

“St. Paul Isn’t Talking about the Rapture” (Catholic Answers):
https://www.catholic.com/qa/st-paul-isnt-talking-about-the-rapture

" As it is clear from his answer to their second question (5:1-12) that neither he nor anyone else knows the time of the Second Coming, there can be no question here of his either teaching or hinting at the imminence of the Parousia, as many moderns have thought. His utilization of Matthew 24 is conclusive of his conformity with Christ’s own teaching on the Parousia, cf . § 914 i ."


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