12 latin chants every Catholic should know

I read this today:

catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=2&art_id=29492

Anyone know where I can get the music to these or a download? I know some of them, but would like to know all.

why???

Uh, patch. . .

Because they are beautiful?
Because they are a part of our heritage?

Why NOT?

This site has some:
christusrex.org/www2/cantgreg/cantos_selec_eng.html

I’m sure you can dig up some more by Googling “gregorian chant downloads” or “gregorian chant mp3”

Good luck!

[quote=Tantum ergo]Uh, patch. . .

Because they are beautiful?
Because they are a part of our heritage?

Why NOT?
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Well, Tant, they’re NOT part of my heritage…

You should be learning 12 hymns in Greek, 12 in Aramaic and 12 Old Church Slavonic as well…

Hey, I’d love to. Beautiful sacred music is beautiful sacred music in ANY language. . .

So, where can I download those 36?

[quote=Tantum ergo]Hey, I’d love to. Beautiful sacred music is beautiful sacred music in ANY language. . .

So, where can I download those 36?
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You can try www.patronagechurch.com to start with…

Thanks for the link, Patchunky, as I too am a big fan of sacred music of many languages. :slight_smile:

You can also try this site:

www.valaam.ru

Click on the ENGLISH section and then go to the music section…

[quote=msh]Thanks for the link, Patchunky, as I too am a big fan of sacred music of many languages. :slight_smile:
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I wouldn’t really call our chants “music” in the literal sense as in our tradition there are no musical instruments in the Church.

why???

Because the Holy Fathers have said that we should, including Blessed John XXIII (Veterim Sapientiae); the Second Vatican Council’s Constitution on the Liturgy; Paul VI (*Jubilate Deo, *1974); John Paul II (Inaestimabile Donum, 1980; Redemptionis Sacramentum, 2004, and many in between), and continuing through the present pontiff.

[quote=Patchunky]Well, Tant, they’re NOT part of my heritage…

You should be learning 12 hymns in Greek, 12 in Aramaic and 12 Old Church Slavonic as well…
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Why are they not part of your heritage?
Are you blocking out the years between the Greek, Aramaic and Slavonic and the modern music?

My girls do Polish Folk dance. A couple dances they do were developed just before WWI.
Is your heritage only ancient?

[quote=ByzCath]I wouldn’t really call our chants “music” in the literal sense as in our tradition there are no musical instruments in the Church.
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You don’t consider the human voice a musical instrument? or are the chants in your tradition more spoken than melodic?

(as a music major whose “instrument” was voice and who loves accapella music, I’m just wondering what your definition of music is - I’m not doubting or disagreeing with it, I’m just confused :confused: :slight_smile: )

[quote=Chatter163]Because the Holy Fathers have said that we should, including Blessed John XXIII (Veterim Sapientiae); the Second Vatican Council’s Constitution on the Liturgy; Paul VI (*Jubilate Deo, *1974); John Paul II (Inaestimabile Donum, 1980; Redemptionis Sacramentum, 2004, and many in between), and continuing through the present pontiff.
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One must understand that not everything the Holy Father says or writes is directed at the Catholic Church as a whole.

The Holy Father has three different roles, one is the Bishop of Rome. So when Pope John Paul II forbade female altar servers and Communion in the Hand in the Diocese of Rome he was doing so as the Bishop of Rome because those things are allowed elsewhere in the Latin Church.

The Holy Father is also Patriarch of the West, in this capacity Pope John Paul II allowed the Bishops of the Latin Church to allow female altar servers and Communion in the Hand. Something that as Bishop of Rome he did not allow.

Then the Holy Father is Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church.

So when any Holy Father speaks about learning and using latin he is only speaking to the Latin Church as the latin language has no role in the Eastern Churches

Show me one Eastern Father who promoted the usage of latin.

[quote=netmilsmom]Why are they not part of your heritage?
Are you blocking out the years between the Greek, Aramaic and Slavonic and the modern music?

My girls do Polish Folk dance. A couple dances they do were developed just before WWI.
Is your heritage only ancient?
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Hmmm, Latin has never been a part of the Byzantine tradition so I do not really understand what you are trying to get at here.

Patchunky is 100% correct in saying that Latin is not part of our Byzantine heritage.

Now as an individual devotion I see nothing wrong with it but it is wrong to tell everyone that they should be doing it. Just as it is wrong to tell everyone that they should pray the rosary.

[quote=AmISearching?]You don’t consider the human voice a musical instrument? or are the chants in your tradition more spoken than melodic?

(as a music major whose “instrument” was voice and who loves accapella music, I’m just wondering what your definition of music is - I’m not doubting or disagreeing with it, I’m just confused :confused: :slight_smile: )
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No you are absolutely right but the average person does not think of the voice as an instrument. When they think of sacred music most automatically assume an organ is being used.

[quote=AmISearching?]You don’t consider the human voice a musical instrument? or are the chants in your tradition more spoken than melodic?

(as a music major whose “instrument” was voice and who loves accapella music, I’m just wondering what your definition of music is - I’m not doubting or disagreeing with it, I’m just confused :confused: :slight_smile: )
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I have a BA in voice and that always bothered me too!

{QUOTE=Patchunky] why???

See above . . . I am a singer and I really really love chant. Saint Augustine said “when you sing you pray twice.” (or something close to that :)). Sometimes in prayer I feel like singing, and do, I would just like to add chant. It has that “other world” quality that, for me, doesn’t come through in the hymns I usually sing.

I also wish that chant would come back to the Mass. Some of the stuff we sing is just plain garbage (musically speaking).

[quote=ByzCath]No you are absolutely right but the average person does not think of the voice as an instrument. When they think of sacred music most automatically assume an organ is being used.
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In some Protestant traditions in America the voice is known as “The Sacred Harp”. This is also the title of the main hymn book for the shape note singing which is unaccompanied. It is wonderful but not exactly easy to participate in when in North Wales.

One must understand that not everything the Holy Father says or writes is directed at the Catholic Church as a whole.

The Holy Father has three different roles, one is the Bishop of Rome. So when Pope John Paul II forbade female altar servers and Communion in the Hand in the Diocese of Rome he was doing so as the Bishop of Rome because those things are allowed elsewhere in the Latin Church.

The Holy Father is also Patriarch of the West, in this capacity Pope John Paul II allowed the Bishops of the Latin Church to allow female altar servers and Communion in the Hand. Something that as Bishop of Rome he did not allow.

Then the Holy Father is Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church.

So when any Holy Father speaks about learning and using latin he is only speaking to the Latin Church as the latin language has no role in the Eastern Churches

Show me one Eastern Father who promoted the usage of latin.

Stop the nonsense. You know that the frame of reference in this particular thread is the Latin Church. You know that in this thread we are speaking about the Latin Church. You know that references in this thread to knowing certain Latin chants pertains to the Latin Church.

Yes, yes, we all know the Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic Church is part of the Catholic Church. There is no dispute in this thread regarding that. So please knock off the admonitions as to the Holy Father’s various roles and the “show me one Eastern Father…” routine. It adds nothing to the discussion.

[quote=Chatter163]Stop the nonsense. You know that the frame of reference in this particular thread is the Latin Church. You know that in this thread we are speaking about the Latin Church. You know that references in this thread to knowing certain Latin chants pertains to the Latin Church.

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Yes I am aware that many in this thread are doing just this but there have been many threads on this forum pushing the idea that everyone needs to learn and pray in Latin.

Some in this thread, though, are not doing as you say here. Which is why I posted what I did.

If you don’t like it, then I am sorry but I can not change how you feel.

Yes, yes, we all know the Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic Church is part of the Catholic Church. There is no dispute in this thread regarding that. So please knock off the admonitions as to the Holy Father’s various roles and the “show me one Eastern Father…” routine. It adds nothing to the discussion.

Again, it was put forward that many popes in the past as well as our current one have said that we should learn more Latin and that was used in a way to say that all Catholics should do so.

The “admonitions” as you put it, were intended to teach something to people who seem to not understand this.

Again, I am sorry you have an issue with this but I can not control how you take what I say.

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