60% of US states are reporting increases in new cases

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Remember, the purpose of the lock down was to flatten the curve, not squash the bug. Hospitalization and death rates are essentially unchanged.

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It’s going to ebb and flow. Point-in-time measurements are useful for screeching, but not very informative. Just be careful people.

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Can’t stay locked up forever . . . .

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Exactly. I believe we are moving closer the “herd immunity”. Protect those with the greatest risk and continue to search for a cure and treatments.

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I read last night that a possible reason for the increase in reported positive Wuhan virus cases is due to employers requiring workers to test before returning to work. Most people, the young in particular, experience few to no symptoms from the virus. I read this here:

https://www.billionairesportfolio.com/archives/category/latest

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…Now, with all of this, it was just two weeks ago that an official from the World Health Organization took five minutes to explain to us why the spread of the virus was “very rare” by asymptomatic people. Take a few minutes to watch it for yourself, by clicking the image below (or [here]

As we discussed that day in my Pro Perspectives note, this would be a game changer – a cause for celebration.

In the hours that followed, this official took a lot of heat, and by the next day, she was trying to walk it back. But the retraction, wasn’t much of a retraction. If we listen to her, it’s fair to say that she didn’t make a mistake, but the WHO doesn’t want that message out as policy.

You can see that in the video below (just click the image or click [here]
By the way, this was not just some spokesperson, this was from the technical lead of the Covid response, and the head of emerging diseases at the WHO . She’s a Cornell and Stanford educated epidemiologist, who was on the ground in China for two weeks in March and regularly does press conferences.

Finally, with this perspective and with the rising cases, keep in mind that young people are representing a large proportion of positive tests. And many young people are asymptomatic. And employers (such as restaurants) are requiring employees to get tested, in order to return to work. As schools reopen, the numbers will continue to rise, and so will the positivity rate.

As for the economy, regardless of the trajectory of cases, Trump and Mnuchin have made it clear that there will not be another economic shutdown.

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Where did I say herd immunity would stop the spread completely ? It won’t.
But that’s the very nature of vaccines. Every year, millions get the flu shot. That’s herd immunity, but people still get the flu.
Are we going to shut the economy down for the flu, too?

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The implication appeared to be there.

Are we going to shut the economy down for the flu, too?

Does the flu have a high mortality rate each year?

Then read what I wrote instead of inferring.

Not anymore. And if we protect the most vulnerable, and take prudent precautions, we don’t have to destroy our economy.

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I ask you do the same in the future.

But the 13 where most of them are Trump states are not taking prudent precautions.
You are preaching to the choir(me).

Florida is on verge of shutting itself down.

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It’s your imagination…:roll_eyes:

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The Associated Press reports that an estimated 20 million Americans have contracted the virus.

Twenty million infections means that about 6% of the nation’s 331 million people have been infected.

"It’s clear that many individuals in this nation are still susceptible,” Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said on a call with reporters Thursday. “Our best estimate right now is that for every case that was reported, there actually are 10 more infections.”

Herd immunity is believed to be achieved when 70 - 90% of a population is immune. Even still, a large number of people would contract the virus and possibly die from it anyway, despite herd immunity. As Paul Offit, an infectious disease specialist told CNN back in May:

Measles is the “perfect example,” says Offit – before vaccines became widespread, “every year 2 to 3 million people would get measles, and that would be true here too.” In other words, the amount of death and suffering from Covid-19 would be vast even if a large portion of the population is not susceptible.

Of course, measles is far more contagious than COVID-19, but it illustrates the point that herd immunity would not be the end of the death and suffering, even if a vast majority of the population develop antibodies for the disease. Moreover, scientists are still unsure that recovering from COVID-19 produces a long-lasting immunity to it. Just yesterday, a study from China published in Nature Medicine suggests immunity may be short-lived in patients who had no symptoms. More studies are needed to say for sure, but recent data isn’t encouraging.

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That’s very good to hear. I think those categories are the important ones.

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It’s good to hear if you like taking comfort from false information.

The fact is we are on track to have 300,000 dead by the end of the year.

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What states are “the Trump states?”

I don’t wish to be confrontational but are you saying these claims are false and that the rate of hospitalisations and rate of deaths have increased?

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Hopefully come November about 40 of them. :smiley:

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Sorry, but I was looking for the person that wrote that to explain to me what they meant.

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LA County has the most cases of any county in the country. Followed by Chicago and, I believe, Brooklyn. California and Washington are both being hammered. That isn’t the fault of Inslee or Newsom. Florida and Texas spikes aren’t not the fault of Abbott and deSantis.

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