Yeah some of these guys are trained to zero in on Catholics (Jehovah’s Witnesses do the same thing.) because they are told they are biblically ignorant and not Christians. :rolleyes:
He told me where his church was, and then asked me how I know I’m going to heaven.
Yeah… this is the mark of one who has targeted a Catholic because they hold to the OSAS/“Eternal Security of the believer” error and like to capitalize on that when they talk to us because they know we do not share it.
My heart was pounding as I tried to remember St Paul. I took a breath and said that I am working out my salvation. He asked me if I was familiar with a particular verse from Ephesians (I was too nervous to remember which one).
That’s [FONT=“Palatino Linotype”]Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; and yeah…he gave you the textbook response of Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; 9 Not of works, that no man may glory
I replied that the ONLY place in the Bible that mentions faith alone is in JAMES where the idea of faith alone is condemned…
and you responded perfectly with James 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? and you can always add verse 26 which says. "For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead. "
then he asked me if I was getting my info from a “Catholic” Bible, to which I replied, well, who wrote the bible?
If that’s his best shot then he’s on a losing streak big time! Those passages are the same regardless of the New Testament used, whether KJV or Douay-Rheims Challoner or NAB.
I guess this post really isn’t even a question… but my heart is still pounding. I want to be able to shut the salvation argument down.
Don’t feel bad my friend, you actually did very well for the first time out. If I recall correctly, I think I had about the same response the first few times somebody tried to rattle my cage about our most holy faith, but (just like with you) it backfired on them and got me digging and learning, so I think they just REALLY messed up by making you want to better know your faith and become a better apologist. :clapping: :extrahappy:
I almost wanted to keep talking, but he was a stranger at my door and it was getting dark.
Yeah, a long drawn out debate at your door at dusk will make most people uncomfortable.
I felt like an idiot not being able to rattle off Bible verses! I wish I could handle this situation more effectively (in charity of course!)
Quit beatin’ yourself up girl! You did better than you think! The deep breaths and thinking on your feet was actually great! Believe me, I’ve been there and done that too.
Any suggestions for a very beginning apologist wannabe?
Sure there are! Some folks have already offered you good resources, like BCS that Manny gave you, you can check that out and there is a wealth of excellent stuff there. Those MP3s are invaluably good!
For an investment of about $10.00 there is one great booklet that San Juan Catholic Seminars puts out as the 1st of its Beginning Apologetics Series (#1) http://shop.catholicapologetics.com/images/1166338754852833803511.jpeg This with a highlighter will really help. Mine sits right here by the comp.
Finally, whatever version of the Catholic Bible you have…read it. Make a commitment to prayerfully read some of it every day for the rest of your life. It’s worth it and the church offers indulgences to encourage it.
I suggest beginning with the gospels and then Acts and then perhaps James, Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians then just go from there. Reading about 3 chapters every day will get you through it all in a year or so , but that’s not the point.
Enjoy, my friend! You are on your way.
Shoot me a PM if I can help in any way at all.
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