A creature is limited, can not atone for another


#1

Basic argument

a creature is limited, can not atone for another ( Hebrews 7-10 )

Jesus is fully man and fully God as such he is infinite and can atone for all mankind.

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The suggestion that some innocent man, or angel, might possibly pay the debt incurred by sinners is rejected, on the ground that in any case this would put the sinner under obligation to his deliverer, and he would thus become the servant of a mere creature. The only way in which the satisfaction could be made, and men could be set free from sin, was by the coming of a Redeemer who is both God and man. His death makes full satisfaction to the Divine Justice, for **it is something greater than all the sins of all rnankind. **Many side questions are incidentally treated in the dialogue between Anselm and Boso. But this is the substance of the answer given to the great question, “Cur Deus Homo?”. Some modern writers have suggested that this notion of deliverance by means of satisfaction may have a German origin.

newadvent.org/cathen/02055a.htm

Eze 18 brings out the principle that a creature, man can not be righteous for another creature, man.

There is no scripture that says an angel can make atonement for another, otherwise Satan would be able to repent and be saved.

Is there any scripture that a mere creature can atone sufficently for all mankind’s sins? for all time?

Lets’ develop the argument that only Jesus as fully man and fully God is sufficent atonement for all mankind.

Quotes from church fathers, theologians, scripture.

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#2

Psalm 49:7-9 (King James Version)

7None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

8(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:)

9That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.

Does this speak of the redemption of the firstborn or am I understanding it correctly as to atonement?

Psalm 111:9
He provided redemption for his people; he ordained his covenant forever— holy and awesome is his name.

Psalm 130:7
O Israel, put your hope in the LORD, for with the LORD is unfailing love and with him is full redemption.


#3

Here’s how I argue it:

a mortal sin is to prefer a FINITE, CREATED good to the INFINITE, UNcreated Good, which is God. But this necessarily means that the creature sinning in this manner is saying that this finite good is SUPERIOR to the infinite good, which is immeasurably insulting. But how does a FINITE creature repay an immeasurable insult? He can’t. Hence, only the Infinite Divine could pay that price.

For more info, I have an article on this:

Darth Vader, Lust, and Hell

Blessings to you, Daniel Marsh!
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#4

On the contrary, Job 4:17-19: “'Can a mortal be more righteous than God? Can a man be more pure than his Maker? If God places no trust in his servants, if he charges his angels with error, how much more those who live in houses of clay, whose foundations are in the dust, who are crushed more readily than a moth!”

This is not to say that angels aren’t perfect in God’s sight. Simply, compared to Him, they are in this sense with folly.


#5

Thanks all, happy Easter, Passoever and all a good night.

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#6

Thank you very much, Daniel. and I pray you the same!
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