A Jewish Quaker?


#1

I recall the late opera singer, Beverly Sills, related that her mother was a Jewish Christian Scientist. And I believe there are Jewish Unitarians as well. Is it possible to be a Jewish Quaker, and what would that mean from a Friends' perspective?


#2

[quote="meltzerboy, post:1, topic:276169"]
I recall the late opera singer, Beverly Sills, related that her mother was a Jewish Christian Scientist. And I believe there are Jewish Unitarians as well. Is it possible to be a Jewish Quaker, and what would that mean from a Friends' perspective?

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#3

I'm curious as to which direction you are taking the hyphenation?

By Jewish-X do you mean Jewish(lineage/practice+X(practice) or Jewish(lineage)-X(practice/belief)?

If you mean a convert, of course, why not? Especially with the Quakers. Heck, they'd probably let Satan be one if he asked nicely.

If the former, I'd think that Judaism would cancel it out automatically as one can't be a Jewish-Muslim anymore than a Catholic can be a Catholic-Socialist.


#4

[quote="BlindManWalking, post:3, topic:276169"]
I'm curious as to which direction you are taking the hyphenation?

By Jewish-X do you mean Jewish(lineage/practice+X(practice) or Jewish(lineage)-X(practice/belief)?

If you mean a convert, of course, why not? Especially with the Quakers. Heck, they'd probably let Satan be one if he asked nicely.

If the former, I'd think that Judaism would cancel it out automatically as one can't be a Jewish-Muslim anymore than a Catholic can be a Catholic-Socialist.

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I'm asking whether Friends would accept someone as a Quaker who still retains their Jewish beliefs and practices. Judaism, in most of its forms, would probably not accept it. And why can't a Catholic be a Catholic-Socialist?


#5

Yes, our resident CAF Friend.


#6

[quote="meltzerboy, post:4, topic:276169"]
I'm asking whether Friends would accept someone as a Quaker who still retains their Jewish beliefs and practices. Judaism, in most of its forms, would probably not accept it. And why can't a Catholic be a Catholic-Socialist?

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Because the two are incompatible to the max: tfp.org/tfp-home/catholic-perspective/what-the-popes-have-to-say-about-socialism.html

It'd be like having a group of Jews who, if the Temple were rebuilt in Israel, wanted to have pig sacrifices for Passover for the Gentiles, on the same altar. It's just all wrong and bad and can't fit together no matter how much they may lead those pigs to slaughter; in the end, Socialism profanes the Catholic's ability to engage in charity in both its abstract form, and in its other forms, particularly in the love of the poor; socialism is not geared toward the common good, but directly away from it.

I could go on but the concept would get repetitious.

Now, back to the Quakers...

and a question of my own:

What's up with the oats?


#7

[quote="BlindManWalking, post:6, topic:276169"]

Now, back to the Quakers...

and a question of my own:

What's up with the oats?

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Of oats and Quakers: straightdope.com/columns/read/1553/is-the-guy-on-the-quaker-oats-box-john-penn


#8

[quote="meltzerboy, post:4, topic:276169"]
I'm asking whether Friends would accept someone as a Quaker who still retains their Jewish beliefs and practices. Judaism, in most of its forms, would probably not accept it. And why can't a Catholic be a Catholic-Socialist?

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Quakerism is generally pretty anti-ritualistic. However it also has that "do as you will as long as you don't hurt others" thing.

So short answer, I don't know.


#9

[quote="Nine_Two, post:8, topic:276169"]
Quakerism is generally pretty anti-ritualistic. However it also has that "do as you will as long as you don't hurt others" thing.

So short answer, I don't know.

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Liberal quakerism might have more of a 'do what you want' attitude akin to wicca but more Traditional Quakerism is about seeing the good in everyone.


#10

[quote="meltzerboy, post:1, topic:276169"]
I recall the late opera singer, Beverly Sills, related that her mother was a Jewish Christian Scientist. And I believe there are Jewish Unitarians as well. Is it possible to be a Jewish Quaker, and what would that mean from a Friends' perspective?

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I used to be a Quaker. The answer to your question probably depends on which kind of Quaker meeting the person wanted to join. The more liberal/progressive Quakers would certainly have no problem with it as long as he wasn't trying to press others into following the Jewish rituals. The more theologically conservative/evangelical Quakers (of which I was a part) would probably be more cautious about it. They would at least want to make sure he claimed Jesus as savior.

When I was considering Catholicism, my cousin, who works in our state's Yearly Meeting (the closest thing to a regional organization that Quakers have), told me I could probably combine Catholic elements with Quakerism. In other words, from a Quaker perspective I didn't have to make an exclusive choice between Catholicism and Quakerism. Quakers are pretty well known for tolerance--some to the point that it doesn't really matter what you believe as long as you don't offend anyone.


#11

Yes it is possible to be a “Jewish Quaker”…while Friends have their roots deep in the experience of God as understood and interpreted through the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. That being said, Friends also believe that there is “that of God” in each of us and this Light Within is our sure Guide and Present Teacher. Quakerism values not only the corporate experience of worship and Presence, but the individual experience as well. If thru the teachings of Judaism God is experience as Reality…then how can any Meeting deny that?

Since Friends do not practice the celebration of “outward symbols” a Jewish Friend would not be required to undergo an “initiation ritual” into Quakerism…Friends do not recite creeds…but instead seek to understand the ramifications our faith has on how we live. The “Queries” have been one fo the Quaker methods of self examination…each Meeting for Worship for Business begins with a reflection on one or more of the Queries as we seek to understand and respond to the “Word of the Lord” and the Living Presence in our midst.

Some of the Queries are as follows…questions we ask corporately and individualy fo ourselves…the “Queries” have been called the “Quaker version of a creed”

". Do you work gladly with other religious groups in the pursuit of common goals? While remaining faithful to Quaker insights, try to enter imaginatively into the life and witness of other communities of faith, creating together the bonds of friendship. "

“Do I faithfully attend meeting with heart and mind prepared for worship, clear of any predetermination to speak or not to speak, and expecting that worship will be a source of strength and guidance?”

"Do I maintain as part of my personal and family life those daily practices that focus on continued spiritual growth, with disciplined worship, inward retirement, and communion with the divine spirit?

Do I frequently read the Bible and other religious literature, including the records of the lives and experiences of Friends? Do I take the time to explore these resources with others, and likewise encourage my children?

Do I share my own faith and spiritual journey, and encourage such sharing within my family?"

"Am I ready to offer assistance as part of my religious community serving its members? Am I equally willing to accept graciously the help of others?

“Do I recognize and face disagreements and other situations that put me in conflict with others? Do I manifest a spirit ready to give or receive forgiveness?”

“Do I treat adults and children alike with respect and without condescension? Is my manner with visitors and attenders to my Meeting one of welcome?”

“Is my home a place where all members of the family receive affection and understanding, and where visitors are welcome? Do I choose recreation and a manner of living that enriches the body, mind, and spirit; and shows a high regard for family, community, and creation?”

Friends have found that thru self examination individually and corporately, we are able to recognize “that of God” in one another and Listen to that Voice as He speaks in our midst.


#12

A Friend who wishes to participate in “outward rites and rituals” is not forbidden…in our corporate worship we do not practice those rites and rituals believed in other faith traditions to “confer grace” to the individual…God confers grace to any heart open to receive it…and oftentimes even to those who’s hearts are not open…we don’t necessarily forbid rituals and practices of other faiths…but hope to make known and experience the Reality in our lives and community to which those rites and rituals point…if a ritual does not inspire a better life…if we engage in rituals that do not cause us to love others, show kindness and display mercy to those we meet and make more Real the Presence of God in our lives…what benefit are they?

Our daily lives are to lived “sacramentaly”…each meal an opportunity to experience the Real Presence as we invite the Unseen Guest to dine with us…each time we offer a cup of water or a plate of food to one in need our hands move in the “ritual sign of our faith”…any rite and ritual must make present God in our lives and inspire us to live rightly…or it means little.

“He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” Micah 6:8


#13

[quote="AlwaysCurious, post:10, topic:276169"]
I used to be a Quaker. The answer to your question probably depends on which kind of Quaker meeting the person wanted to join. The more liberal/progressive Quakers would certainly have no problem with it as long as he wasn't trying to press others into following the Jewish rituals. The more theologically conservative/evangelical Quakers (of which I was a part) would probably be more cautious about it. They would at least want to make sure he claimed Jesus as savior.

When I was considering Catholicism, my cousin, who works in our state's Yearly Meeting (the closest thing to a regional organization that Quakers have), told me I could probably combine Catholic elements with Quakerism. In other words, from a Quaker perspective I didn't have to make an exclusive choice between Catholicism and Quakerism. Quakers are pretty well known for tolerance--some to the point that it doesn't really matter what you believe as long as you don't offend anyone.

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Thank you so much for this interesting information. Jews would not press others to follow their rituals, so that's not a problem.


#14

This is fascinating and much appreciated, Publisher. I’ve always admired Quakers for their liberal attitudes toward other faiths.


#15

[quote="BlindManWalking, post:6, topic:276169"]
Now, back to the Quakers...

and a question of my own:

What's up with the oats?

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Friends aren't really involved in the "Quaker Oats Company".....the Quaker man on the box was menat...as I understand...to represent a "wholesomeness and honesty" as to the benefit of oats for breakfast and a commitment of quality of product....Friends are no more involved with oats as we are with "Quaker State Oil" or "Quaker Parakeets.".

The Quaker family of Henry Cadbury does make good chocolate...I went to college with some Cadburys.:)


#16

[quote="Publisher, post:15, topic:276169"]
Friends aren't really involved in the "Quaker Oats Company".....the Quaker man on the box was menat...as I understand...to represent a "wholesomeness and honesty" as to the benefit of oats for breakfast and a commitment of quality of product....Friends are no more involved with oats as we are with "Quaker State Oil" or "Quaker Parakeets.".

The Quaker family of Henry Cadbury does make good chocolate...I went to college with some Cadburys.:)

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Maybe Quakers should open up dentist shops and sell those delicious eggs year-round. :D


#17

[quote="BlindManWalking, post:16, topic:276169"]
Maybe Quakers should open up dentist shops and sell those delicious eggs year-round. :D

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LOL....I like Dove chocolate the best...the "Cadbury Eggs" are kind of gross....I like their solid chocolate however.


#18

[quote="Publisher, post:17, topic:276169"]
LOL....I like Dove chocolate the best...the "Cadbury Eggs" are kind of gross....I like their solid chocolate however.

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Ya know... this reminds me of a Seinfeld episode:

Jewish Quaker(?) Dentist!

youtube.com/watch?v=mV7m6IIN_tI


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