ok so im having a debate with an athesit he is just qouting stuff from dawkins book which of course i havnt read so a little help in answering this piece he put to me would be helpful!
One of the questions many theists ask when an argument is put forth for why God almost certainly doesn’t exist is, “Well, if God doesn’t exist then where did matter come from?” Chuculainn, I’ve seen you ask this question more then once. This is the first-cause argument. Now even if there wasn’t an answer to this question it still doesn’t even remotely suggest God exists, or that He is responsible for creation. Postulating God as the explanation for the creation of the universe explains nothing because you’re left with answering the even bigger question of what created God. God does not explain anything because it regress the problem, infinitively so. If you argue that something complicated like a Universe or life needs something even more complicated to bring it into existence then your argument holds that God’s existence can only be explained by something even more complicated then he bringing him into existence. And then that more complicated God who created your God would have to be explained by an even more complicated God and that one would have to be…and you see where I’m going. By using God as an explanation for creation you get this infinite regress of ever more complicated God’s creating lesser god’s for all time before time even began, which of course makes no sense whatsoever. Then you hear the argument that God was never created, that he exists outside of time. Putting aside the fact that this makes no sense at all, since time is a measure of things, if God exists outside of it he becomes 100% impotent and unable to do anything at all let alone create a universe or answer prayers or grant everlasting life.
Still rational, logical arguments like that never seem to silence theists and they cling tight to God’s final gap to hide in. Turns out now that that gap is gone, well it has been for a while but I only recently came across a physicist by the name of Victor J. Stenger who has written a book called God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist. In it, although I haven’t read it yet but I have listened to an interview with him where he explains this in detail, is how the universe never needed a first cause, that it is exactly the way you would expect it to be if there was no creator.
His argument basically goes like this: We used to believe that matter could neither be created nor destroyed (the law of the conservation of matter) until Einstein came along and showed matter can be created and destroyed by energy but that didn’t really settle the theistic argument because you could simply say, “Well where did the energy come from, because you need the energy to create the matter?” (The law of conservation of energy). Well it turns out that modern cosmology has discovered that the total energy of the universe is ZERO! There are two types of energy, positive (which is needed for the creation of matter) and negative (which is associated with gravity), and cosmologists have measured, extremely accurately, that there is an exact balance between the positive and negative energy. Therefore you needed no energy whatsoever to create the matter that was necessary for the creation of the universe which beautifully gets rid of the argument that you needed a God (or anything) to create matter, to create the universe. This is explains where matter comes from, and scientifically proves God is not only not necessary or responsible for the creation of the universe, nothing is.
Then the question gets asked about where did these laws of physics come from, surely you need some sort of lawgiver. And this has a related question of how something can come from nothing. Firstly, to any theists out there that same question must be applied to God, if you still believe in him, and it’s a damn sight more difficult to explain how something so complicated as a lawgiver could arise out of nothing then the actual laws themselves. It turns out it’s a non-question.
anyone help me with this???