[quote=Tim Hayes]The Church now effectively teaches Universal Salavtion, There would hardly be anyone who would geneuinely believe that the CAtholic Church is the True Church etc and leave it, the fact is this means that just about everyone in existence is ignorant of the truth. Knowing that just about everyone is ignorant of the truth, there must be universal salvation, otherwise hardly anyone will reach heaven.
Is this my belief, no but it lies somewhere in between, because I cannot believe that God would condemn billions of people to hell for never hearing of him either at all or in any proper effective manner.
One of the problems I have with Church teaching is that the Holy Spirit works on every individual to bring them to God, now in terms of absolutes, if we listen to the Holy Spirit then we must be led to the Catholic Church.
If we do not end up in the catholic church(Generally speaking) then in reality have we not refused the the Holy Spirit and if we refuse the holy Spirit have we not then in reality rebuked God, which as I see it means losing our salvation.
I can certainly see why many of the ultra traditionalists make the arguemtns they do about the necissity of being in the Church.
Well I have a big problem with this. It entirely overlooks the teaching about vincible and invicible ignorance. God gave us an intellect to use to know Him and His Revelation. God also gave us a Church to teach us. Most everyone has had the opportunity to hear or to study the Catholic Church’s teaching. Many of those who do not utilize their intellect to explore and to study the Church’s teaching are very likely in the vincible ignorance category. So are those who rashly dismiss the Church’s teaching when it is presented to them. Vincible ignorance carries with it culpability or blameworthyness. Jesus told the apostles that if their teaching was rejected, they were to shake the dust off of their sandals as a witness against those who rejected the teaching. Jesus also said, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:15-16) [emphasis added]. It would certainly seem that Jesus holds their rejection of his apostles against them.
It is false to claim that the Church teachs universal salvation. It is false to claim that ignorance excuses someone. Only invincible ignorance excuses, and many who claim ignorance have vincible ignorance, not invincible ignorance.
Now we as men, in most cases, without clear external evidence, cannot judge who has vincible and who has invicible ignorance. This remains for God to know, because only God knows the human heart. What we cannot do as Christians, is to excuse the ignorance of those do not know the true faith. By doing this we fail to recognize the eternal danger that the soul of the ignorant may be in. We fail to do our duty to evanglize. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. We cannot say that others are okay, just because they don’t know or accept this. We would not be following Jesus’ command to teach the world everything He has commanded if we accept ignorance as an excuse.