I was reading some traditionalist literature I got in the mail, that seemed a little um extremish. It was the St. Gertrude the Great Newletter (October 2006). In this pamphlet, they were talking about the legitamcy of the ordination of priests to the episcopacy and debating whether after Vatican II whether the ordinations were any longer valid. They question the validity of whether Holy Orders conferred with the post-Vatican II rites are valid, and concludes that it is an invalid sacrament. And if all bishops ordained by this new sacramental form promulgated by Paul VI in 1968 is invalid, that means that it cannot create a real bishop and that therefore any other priests and bishops who derive their orders from these bishops are in themselves invalidly ordained and consecrated. Which means that most Sacred Body and most Precious Blood is nothing but bread n wine!
I am highly critical of this n doubt that God would ever let anything like that happen. But can u imagine how scary that would be? How many bishops who were consecrated to the episcopacy before 1968 are there left? Even the the pope was made a bishop in 1977 using this form! This was written by Rev. Anthony Cekada by the way, n I just found out they sedevacanists, I think. According to the newletter, even SSPX recognized the legitamacy of the episcopal consecrations after 1968, pshhh, if SSPX agrees, then whoever sent me the newsletter must be even more right-winged and traditional than the SSPX.
I’m just wondering, what constitutes a sacrament no longer being valid? For example in this case, Holy Orders. This makes me wonder, if it was because there was substantial change to the form in which the sacrament is conferred, why is it that Anglican priests are invalid, and that Novus Ordo priests/bishops are? I firmly believe that all Novus Ordo priests are legit, but i’m just asking how much change was made when the Church of England started in which they conferred their “Holy Orders”?
Also, I know that currently women cannot be ordained and only men receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. It is what the church teaches, but! although the church does not permit it, can this sacrament still be conferred upon women? I mean say some looney bishop goes and ordains women using the say form as he would for men, would these women still have the mark of Holy Orders? Would the bread that they consecrate be legitimate although the Church forbids their ordination? I’m asking would this apostolic succession or w/e still be passed on to them? I always read why women should not be ordained, but is it physically possible?