[quote="Rob_Brown, post:7, topic:184632"]
oh I just had to add, that if you thought that was animal cruelty your off your rocker!!
That was typical cattle farming and its not like that is always the case.
Man I honestly wonder how long it took those animal rights activists to get that footage lol
You aught to see my dad get pissed off at a cow, that cow sure as heck gets hit more than once. I have even seen a few cattle sticks broken over the back of the odd cow (mind you those were extreme circumstances when the cow was in attack mode)
People these days are such wusses, man I long for the days when I could farm how I liked and people would keep to their own business.
I would quibble with you a little, but not much.
As a rancher, I am sure you have seen 1,000+ pound animals butt into each other head-on in their perfectly natural "pecking order" disputes. That guy with the wrench could not possibly come remotely close to the force those animals routinely inflict on each other without visibly seeming to mind too much. And, of course, the guy could not possibly inflict the force of a 2,000 lb horned bull smacking another bull in the gut with his horns. I don't imagine the "investigative reporter" ever saw a bull tear a steel pipe gate to smithereens with his head just to get at cows in the next field.
I don't like striking cattle. But the reality is that the startling effect of a blow is really the thing; not the blow itself. I achieve the same effect, exactly, by cracking a whip in front of a cow's nose or a fraction of an inch from its backside instead of hitting it with a wrench.
I have seen veterinarians (as I am sure you have) remove cancerous eyes from cattle with only the most superficial anaesthetic, or dehorn or castrate using no anaesthetic at all. Sometimes the cattle react. Sometimes they don't. I vaccinate my own cattle, and sometimes one will jump almost out of the chute from a stick that a human child would tolerate, while some don't seem to know I'm doing it at all. With cattle, it's the "something I don't understand going on here" reflex more than it is the pain. Truth is, we really don't know how they experience pain or anything else very much. When you see one bull ram another at full tilt; a blow that would break every bone in a human body, only to see the recipient walk off and munch grass like nothing happened, or perhaps just respond in kind, you quickly learn that you can't project human reactions onto them.
Fences are the same. It's all just "psychological". Cattle will walk right through a five-strand barbed wire fence with the meanest barbs you ever saw, and show no reaction to it at all. They don't do it normally, because when they first investigate it because they're curious, and get a little "stick" to the nose, they just stay away from it thereafter(sometimes). Buffalo, of course, will walk through fence after fence after fence and show no reaction whatever. Try walking into a barbed wire fence just once sometime and you will learn that people and cattle are very, very different.
I didn't see the program, only the clip, and maybe there was something horrific about that farm, but I didn't see it on the clip. I am a little puzzled by a dairy that keeps the cows indoors all the time, and am not sure why they do it. I have seen lots of dairy operations, but I have never seen one of those. Nor have I ever seen a dairyman dock cows' tails. Not sure why they do that. Maybe because they don't go out in the rain and get them clean.
The dumbest complaint, though was that the dairy cows are "kept pregnant all the time". That's also true of cattle in a field if there's a bull in the herd. Cattle become fertile about 30-60 days after giving birth, and get rebred without fail if the cow is healthy. It's true of wild buffalo and elk as well. Most any female animal in the wild is "pregnant all the time". That's how nature keeps their species replenished. Just because Diane Sawyer or somebody doesn't want to be "pregnant all the time", it doesn't mean animals complain about it or even know it. Does she really think cattle want access to Planned Parenthood; maybe with taxpayer supported abortion coverage?
But I suppose they thought it made a good story; something to scare the city folk so they'll drink soy milk, perhaps. (Was the program sponsored by ADM by any chance?) ;)