Like I pointed out in a reply to some of your comments on another thread, socialism isn’t necessary incompatible with Christianity. There are also valid Christian critiques of some forms of capitalism. I don’t know about the NZ Labour Party, but the UK Labour Party very much grew out of Protestant non-conformism. In fact, there is a well known saying that the Labour Party owed more to Methodism than to Marxism. I’m not saying that Christians should support Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, or Maoism. But mainstream left-of-centre parties in the western world do not pursue economic policies that are incompatible with Christianity. I’m not saying that Catholics have to be socialists, but you can’t just use the word “socialist” as if it means “bad person”.
Well, I’m not going to recommend that as a positive lifestyle choice and say that it’s compatible with the Church’s teaching on marriage and the family, but your comment just comes over as way too judgemental and uncharitable. Please remember that shaming unmarried mothers wasn’t cool when Catholics were doing it in Ireland in the 1950s and it certainly isn’t cool when Catholics are doing it today.
“No Catholic could subscribe even to moderate socialism”
-Pope St John XXIII, Encyclical Mater et Magistra , May 15, 1961, n. 34
The Church’s criticism of Capitalism is in how it is practiced, while Socialism is not merely unworkable in practice, but wrong in principle as it denies the right to own and acquire private property. It’s atheist roots and support for abortion, euthanasia and gender ideology could be thrown in with that.
Couldn’t disagree with you more on this. Socialism is fundamentally incompatible with Christianity and one of its primary adversaries. Many Popes have written in detail on it.
“Pope Pius XI further emphasized the fundamental opposition between Communism and Christianity, and made it clear that no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism… Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority.”
Yes. The New Zealand system at present allows access to abortion before 20 weeks effectively on request but requires women to jump through hoops such as having to talk to two certifying consultants in addition to their own doctor. This undermines normal communication between women and their health providers and breaks down trust. Abortion numbers are already trending down, probably because of better contraceptive usage. Better relationships between doctors and their primary health providers will increase this trend. If you want an abortion in New Zealand now you can get one, so the inevitable increase as a result of easier access will be small and more than offset by better health practice. (I know Catholics see this as bad, not good, but I’m just explaining my sums)
None of that logically connects at all. If you contend that abortion is tracking down because of contraception, doctor-patient trust in relation to abortion access has no bearing on reducing the number of abortions.
It’s far more likely that easier access will increase the number of abortions, especially given providers are likely to commence marketing and profiting from their provision.