How do I explain to a good conservative Catholic that abortion is more grave than an unjust war. This Catholic I was talking to said there is no difference because innocent life is targeted in each case.
I see nothing wrong with his argument, so is he right or are we missing something?
p.s. this Catholic was not using this argument to vote for one candidate over the other, it was a philosophical argument.
Basically all war is unjust. The reason for war is that it is the lesser of the evil.
Yes - because life issues trump quality of life issues. If the candidate was for indiscriminate killing this puts the two issues into more of an equivalency. If the candidate is for pursuing justice and war is an option then prudential judgement comes into play. The defense of abortion cannot entertain any such notion.
Abortion is the systematic slaughter of millions and millions and millions of babies. One baby every 25 seconds in the US alone. We are up to about 40 million in the US since Roe V Wade. I’m not sure I know of an ‘unjust’ war that compares to that level of evil. I’m not blind to the evil of unjust war, I just think that the evil of abortion is much greater.
I would be curious to know how “unjust” war is defined. My brother, who was in Iraq for a very long time, commented once that “those who think the war in Iraq is unjust have never seen mass graves.” A sobering thought indeed. However, in pondering the issue I wonder one thing : if there was a mass grave for all aborted babies, I wonder if abortion would still be legal.
This is similar to what I have thought about. There are 10s of millions of abortions, which I think drown out any war (whether unjust or just) out there. That is why I think abortion is still far far worse in this situation.
Back in the 80’s, I was told that, at that time, there were more abortions being performed then those who died in WW! and WW2!:eek:
Can you imagine, if we thought the Holocaust was evil, when looking at the pcitures and films about it ( I have gone to Yad Vashem twice in Israel)…how big would be the piles of aborted babies be???:crying:
(similar what jfogs was saying)
I guess if you really wanted, you could add up the numbers. In terms of the United States, there are many more deaths per day from abortion than US soldiers. (Though you might need to use total deaths of innocents killed in the war to make the comparison fair.)
Does it really matter which is more grave? You can be against both at the same time, as they are not mutually exclusive.
They are both grave, so we oppose both.
“What’s more evil, killing someone with a steak knife or a chainsaw?” Who cares?! Don’t do either of them! (Kind of silly, but you get the point.)
To my knowledge, the Church has been silent on the overall war on terror.
The Church did denounce the second invasion of Iraq, but after it was a done deed, said that we should stay and fix what we broke. The war part has been over for a number of years. We’re attempting now to support their government and help them rebuild, which is exactly what Pope John Paul II said we should do.
Are we trying to set up a strawman argument here or merely dealing in hypotheticals?
Of course, you can be and should be against both at the same time. The problem is that many people are support abortion because they do not think of an unborn child as a “life” while they are are vehemently opposed to unjust war.
I am against both because I recognize that all life is sacred. Additionally I believe that quality of life is important but that the right to life is fundamental.