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abortion i think is just a sinful as eating beef the baby is equally aware of the act of abortion as a cow heading for a slaughter house

Nephillim

You’re equating a human with a cow? A cow does not have a soul.

why not. and i didnt say human i said foetus

nephillim

Cows don’t have souls. Having grown up on a country farm, I would say that they also dont have very much in the way of reasoning capacity. Put bluntly, they’re as dumb as can be. Pigs are far smarter. Bit steak is tastier to me than bacon. :smiley:

Humans have a souls. A fetus is a human in the early stages of development. It won’t grow up to be anything else, not a pig or a puppy or an alligator, no matter what, so long as you don’t kill it first. To kill a human being because they are “inconvenient” for you is appalling. Abortion is always wrong.

The argument that animals are of equal – or even greater – value than humans is flawed on so many levels that it hardly bears giving more than a moment’s attention to defeating it. :cool:

Have a nice day.

It depends what you mean by “soul”.

If we’re going by the philosophy of Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas, a soul (anima) is what makes any thing animated. If something’s alive, it has a soul. Cows are alive, therefore they have souls.

However, there’s a vast qualitative difference between animal (and plant) souls, on the one hand, and human souls, on the other. Human souls are rational, animal (and plant) souls are not.

Whether a human being is at the fetal stage of development or in the adult stage of development, a member of the species homo sapiens possesses a rational soul, and so there is a big difference between the killing of animals and the killing of humans.

If you’re going to argue that a fetal human has a non-rational soul, but an adult human has a rational soul, then you would have to show how non-rationality develops into rationality. In effect, you’d have to say that something comes from nothing, which is absurd.

[quote=Nephillim]why not. and i didnt say human i said foetus

nephillim
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you didn’t say fetus… you said baby.

By that reasoning killing an infant (already born) would be the same thing too . . .
so if it’s okay to kill cows, it’s okay to abort, and if it’s okay to abort it’s okay to kill infants . . .
NOT BUYING IT!

DFTT

What does DFTT mean?

About this thread, the original post is beyond ridiculous. Awareness is the criterium? So, shooting a man in the back of the head is fine but not the front? Hmmm … we should start a “Hall of Shame” for the most ridiculous posts.

  • JP

if I understand the original post (and I am not sure I do) he is positing a) to kill a cow for food is wrong and b) to kill an unborn child is wrong so c) both are murder. What I am not clear on is does the poster have any criteria for wrongness other than personal opinion of the murderer, the victim and/or the observer

I smell a troll here guys…

[quote=Nephillim]abortion i think is just a sinful as eating beef the baby is equally aware of the act of abortion as a cow heading for a slaughter house

Nephilim,
I think it’s so easy to judge others. I’m one of those hideous, despicale, baby killers you speak of. OK!!! ARE YOU HAPPY!!! Do you think we don’t suffer as a result of the misguided “choices” we make? My God, if there was one thing I couod ever say to anyone contemplating this “choice”…I would say for god’s sake…for your sake…don’t do it. We don’t always realize the gift we are throwing away. Until…we see others with these beautiful gifts, and realize they can never be ours…because we rejected those gifts in stupidity, and arrogance, and selfishness. So fine! You want to crucify me?! You cannot do any worse than I can do to myself! I have to live with myself…with my stupid arrogant ignorant “choice”. Screw you…I’ve already done that to me. I just pray that God’s mercy is enough for me…because obviously yours isn’t. I’m unable to have children because I threw those away that I wasn’t ready for…god help me. I just pray that others will not do what I’ve done…not throw away that chance because you don’t know if you’ll ever get it again. Don’t you DARE sit in judgement of me…I sit in judgement of myself every stinking day. BACK OFF!!

Nephillim
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I don’t know if the anguished post above is from the original poster, or in reply, but we are praying for you and for all victims of abortion, recognizing that the mother, her family, and even the technician performing the abortion are all harmed by the deed, and have not the comfort of the innocent baby now in the care of loving father God. I urge you to look into Rachel’s Vineyard, referred to in many threads here, for the healing and experience of God’s mercy you so desperately need. REst assured we will never stop praying for you

[quote=asquared]I don’t know if the anguished post above is from the original poster, or in reply, but we are praying for you and for all victims of abortion, recognizing that the mother, her family, and even the technician performing the abortion are all harmed by the deed, and have not the comfort of the innocent baby now in the care of loving father God. I urge you to look into Rachel’s Vineyard, referred to in many threads here, for the healing and experience of God’s mercy you so desperately need. REst assured we will never stop praying for you
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I have heard of Rachel’s vineyard from some friends of mine who I inadvertently let this slip. Thank you so much for your prayers, and I mean that fom the bottom of my heart. I’ve been to confession, and I know God (and I hope, my children) can forgive me. I won’t go there. I don’t knopw if I’m being scrupuolous or not, but sometimes I think I need to keep them in my heart…I need to remember them, I know they are with god, but I can’t get the idea that they will be the ones who greet me at the paerly gates…not St.Peter. I hope they will forgive me, and even if they don’t…I hope they will just let me look at them once. That’ll hold me.

[quote=Nephillim]abortion i think is just a sinful as eating beef the baby is equally aware of the act of abortion as a cow heading for a slaughter house

Nephillim
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IT IS NOT JUST AS SINFUL ABORTION IS MURDER.

We are created in the image & likeness of God. Cows aren’t. The Bible makes clear distinction between man and animals. We have souls. Come on now, get real. :mad:

Blessings to you,
Shannin

[quote=tcay584]I have heard of Rachel’s vineyard from some friends of mine who I inadvertently let this slip. Thank you so much for your prayers, and I mean that fom the bottom of my heart. I’ve been to confession, and I know God (and I hope, my children) can forgive me. I won’t go there. I don’t knopw if I’m being scrupuolous or not, but sometimes I think I need to keep them in my heart…I need to remember them, I know they are with god, but I can’t get the idea that they will be the ones who greet me at the paerly gates…not St.Peter. I hope they will forgive me, and even if they don’t…I hope they will just let me look at them once. That’ll hold me.
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the Rachel’s Vineyard retreat will not erase your darling children from your heart, but it will help your healing, which is a gift every mother can give to her children, the beautiful thing is once a mother, always a mother, and that children are the first to forgive their parents for what they do, and from these innnocent ones comes nothing but love for you.

[quote=asquared]the Rachel’s Vineyard retreat will not erase your darling children from your heart, but it will help your healing, which is a gift every mother can give to her children, the beautiful thing is once a mother, always a mother, and that children are the first to forgive their parents for what they do, and from these innnocent ones comes nothing but love for you.
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Thank you, asquared. God bless. God will bring me to peace.

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