Absence of U.S. flag in Haiti sparks controversy

Can someone please help me understand this?? Because I'm trying VERY hard to view Mr. Obama as a fellow, patriotic American...

He's ordered that all US flags be taken down?? Isnt he the PRESIDENT of the US??

usatoday.com/news/world/2010-03-14-haiti-flag-flap_N.htm

You know how some men, view women like they should be 'seen not heard'...I kinda feel like he's stuffin' the US into that box...

Disgusting.

[quote="Charlotte408, post:1, topic:193831"]
'seen not heard'..

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Take that back, he made us take our flag down so werent not even 'seen', I meant 'used and not respected'

The explanation is buried in the news story, but this seems to be the reason why the US flag is not flying.

U.S. Air Force air operations specialists and FAA air-traffic controllers manage air traffic at Haiti's main airport, where millions of dollars in aid from the United States has been arriving for weeks. More than 12,000 U.S. military personnel support relief operations.

"Our commanders are smart and intuitively understand their mission here in Haiti, and clearly the sensitivities that come with supporting the mission," Buckner said.

A U.S. flag went up at a temporary consular station set up in the first few days on the airport tarmac, according to Charles Luoma-Overstreet, a State Department spokesman in Haiti.

"Apparently, the prime minister (Jean-Max Bellerive) saw this" and thought it appeared as if the United States were taking over the airport, Luoma-Overstreet said.

It seems to a concern about not appearing imperialistic/expansionistic to Haitian officials.

Its probably worth remembering that the US took control of the airport early, and consequently controlled the delivery of aid to Haiti, provoking a lot of grumbling from other nations that US deliveries were favored while theirs were delayed repeatedly. We have a large presence, and some Haitian officials feel threatened by it. But other nations were also irritated by our quick takeover of the situation.

OOOoookkay - so, we're the bad guys for doing the 'good thing'...if they are so offended/worried, then why dont we just pull out now?? Just doesnt seem really 'appreciative' to me...I mean, our FLAG? Obama couldnt have just, reduced the amount of soldiers there, or aid...they have a problem with us giving so much, so...idk it just doesnt strike me as right...

Its like, going into a church food bank for charity, getting a bag full of grocerys...noticing theres a Cross on the paper bag, dumping the groceries into your backpack and throwing the bag back sayin 'I want the groceries but i dont need this garbage'

Forgive me I'm just workin' with my common knowledge...1. never forget who you are and where your from and 2. never look a gift horse in the mouth (<--lol is that really how it is?? I never typed it out before! ;P )

But other nations were also irritated by our quick takeover of the situation.


As opposed to if we had taken a few days, in which case we would have been scrutinized for not acting 'quickly enough'....whats that saying? lol, 'damned if you dont, damned if you do'...how sad. Irritated that we rushed to help someone...

Yeah… its got to rankle the troops, too. Its not a decision I would have wanted to make.

hmmm… maybe not quite like that. After all, we went into Haiti, the Haitians didn’t come to the US. A closer thing would be if a church group went to a city in Iraq to offer aid, and set up a large cross in the town square. While the locals might be grateful for the help, the foreign symbol planted on their soil might irritate them too.

Yes, believe it or not, that’s the saying. I read somewhere it has to do with the teeth of the horse. Apparently, you can estimate how old an horse is by looking at its teeth. So, “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth” means be grateful for the gift and don’t criticize it.

Yep, the US is often in a no-win situation when it comes to pleasing other countries.

[quote="Dale_M, post:7, topic:193831"]

hmmm.... maybe not quite like that. After all, we went into Haiti, the Haitians didn't come to the US. A closer thing would be if a church group went to a city in Iraq to offer aid, and set up a large cross in the town square. While the locals might be grateful for the help, the foreign symbol planted on their soil might irritate them too..

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No no noooo..I dont think so! we are NOT going over there and flying our flag on their government offices, or in their park squares. They are talking about the flags they put on the service bunkers or whereever our military guys are...and they said all the other countries have their flags up where they are staying...Thats not fair.

[quote="Dale_M, post:7, topic:193831"]

Yes, believe it or not, that's the saying. I read somewhere it has to do with the teeth of the horse. Apparently, you can estimate how old an horse is by looking at its teeth. So, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" means be grateful for the gift and don't criticize it.

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oh wow!
learn somethin' new....everyday :D

[quote="Dale_M, post:7, topic:193831"]

Yep, the US is often in a no-win situation when it comes to pleasing other countries.

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I heard that...

[quote="Charlotte408, post:5, topic:193831"]
OOOoookkay - so, we're the bad guys for doing the 'good thing'...if they are so offended/worried,** then why dont we just pull out now??** Just doesnt seem really 'appreciative' to me...I mean, our FLAG? Obama couldnt have just, reduced the amount of soldiers there, or aid...they have a problem with us giving so much, so...idk it just doesnt strike me as right...

Its like, going into a church food bank for charity, getting a bag full of grocerys...noticing theres a Cross on the paper bag, dumping the groceries into your backpack and throwing the bag back sayin 'I want the groceries but i dont need this garbage'

Forgive me I'm just workin' with my common knowledge...1. never forget who you are and where your from and 2. never look a gift horse in the mouth (<--lol is that really how it is?? I never typed it out before! ;P )

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On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, "Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me." Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, "Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me." These will ask Him, "When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?" And Jesus will answer them, "Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!"

Thats nice and all spaceneedle…

but we did give them food and water, we are still giving them food and water…I’m not saying we shouldnt be- this thread, or my ‘frustration’ isnt over American charity, its over the President, of the United States, declaring that our flag should be taken down- ANYWHERE…

IMO…maybe I’m just overly patriotic…but idk…

wtheck I’m not even FROM this country and I have more of a problem with this than some thats amazing…

The US exploiting the Haiti earthquake to militarily occupy the country has been condemned throughout the world. People have died because the movement of humanitarian aid has been hindered by American military forces taking over Haitan airports for their own ends. It's not surprising that now they're trying to tone down their behaviour.

[quote="Kadaveri, post:12, topic:193831"]
People have died because the movement of humanitarian aid has been hindered by American military forces taking over Haitan airports for their own ends..

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and what ends are those? Forgive me I thought we went there to help..

[quote="Kadaveri, post:12, topic:193831"]
The US exploiting the Haiti earthquake to militarily occupy the country has been condemned throughout the world. People have died because the movement of humanitarian aid has been hindered by American military forces taking over Haitan airports for their own ends. It's not surprising that now they're trying to tone down their behaviour.

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Actually the us military brought a semblance of order to the logistics problems and the airport in Haiti became one of the busiest cargo airports in the world until the US got the port open and the bulk of goods began to arrive by ship.

And unlike some other countries, it was about the aid not the propaganda mission.

As for an occupation slant to the US aid, can you indicate anywhere that is the case ? It wasn't from any of the myriad countries helping out in Haiti, did it come from countries not helping out?

Peace

[quote="Kadaveri, post:12, topic:193831"]
The US exploiting the Haiti earthquake to militarily occupy the country has been condemned throughout the world.

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The United States has no interest in occupying Haiti. If it did, it would have happened a long time ago.

[quote="Kadaveri, post:12, topic:193831"]
People have died because the movement of humanitarian aid has been hindered by American military forces taking over Haitan airports for their own ends. .

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Erm... what is your evidence for this statement?

Charlotte, I think you’re overreacting to this. If you’ll check, we’re still “friends” on CAF, and I think that was because you were always so sweet and compassionate and so receptive to the Holy Spirit in your words and thoughts…but I have noticed lately whenever I see you post, it’s always Obama this, Obama that…I mean, I think you have become a little obsessed with picking out his faults. And sure, there are many, but I don’t think this is one of them. Not wanting the Haitians to feel dominated is compassionate and charitable IMO. Pray on it, open up the scriptures, see if you don’t change your mind…no, not about Obama, just about this particular decision.

Then you should ask Washington why US has been effectively been occupying Haiti for the last hundred years, most recently supporting a coup against a democratically elected government in 2004.

What You’re Not Hearing about Haiti (But Should Be)
Haiti patients ‘will die’ because of US airlift halt
US accused of annexing airport as squabbling hinders aid effort in Haiti
Italian quake supremo slams US effort in Haiti
France and America bicker as Haiti aid fails to reach city

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The Haitian government, paralysed by the destruction of the presidential palace and ministries, signed a memorandum of understanding formally transferring control of Toussaint L’Ouverture airport to the US. Former president Bill Clinton said he will travel to Haiti today to meet with government officials and deliver much-needed emergency supplies.
The UN mission, which had a 9,000-strong peacekeeping force in Haiti before the quake, seemed too stunned by its own losses to take control. Its dead include its Tunisian head, Hédi Annabi, his Brazilian deputy, Luiz Carlos da Costa, and the acting police commissioner, Doug Coates, a Canadian.**

guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/us-accused-aid-effort-haiti

Uh… if the US had been occupying Haiti for the past 100 years, then a coup wouldn’t have been necessary.

This article undercuts your claim of 100 years of US occuptation. Moreover, it doesn’t make clear that the rural to urban migration in Haiti is any different than what has occurred throught third world nations during this time period.

Well, its a prediction that patients would die. And its dated in January 2010. Did they die?

Yep, I mentioned those things earlier.

I said the US was effectively occupying Haiti, the implication being that it was not doing so directly. What real difference is there between the US militarily occupying Haiti, and the US supporting coups against democratic Haitan governments when “necessary”? Either way Haiti is controlled by the US.

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