Adam and Eve didn't have sex until after the Fall?

Having sex in paradise is fundamental to our faith? :shrug:

Nope.
Try again, please.

Adam knew right from wrong, the very moment he was established in God’s friendship before he freely chose to scorn God.

Adam was blessed not commanded. Sorry, but Adam’s choice to sin came *before *he had you and me as his descendants.

Please think God first as the Creator.

No organic apple. Dang!

Choosing oneself over God, needs intellective power and free will. Adam was a true human being; therefore he had a spiritual soul which includes the ability to consider choices for good or bad and then freely choose one.

Adam willfully sinned, big time.

To get the story straight, everyone should read paragraphs 355- 421 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition.
scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, paragraph 396

396 God created man in his image and established him in his friendship. A spiritual creature, man can live this friendship only in free submission to God. The prohibition against eating “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” spells this out: “for in the day that you eat of it, you shall die.” The "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"symbolically evokes the insurmountable limits that man, being a creature, must freely recognize and respect with trust. Man is dependent on his Creator, and subject to the laws of creation and to the moral norms that govern the use of freedom.

—emphasis mine

You need to think about it a bit more. God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful, increase and multiple and fill the earth. It would be unfair for God to tell them to have sex and then punish them for it. They already had carnal knowledge. That’s the only way to have children. Associating carnal knowledge with the forbidden fruit that got Adam and Eve banned from Paradise is associating sex with something bad/evil/dirty, which it’s not.

Why do you think the tree was called the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil”? That wasn’t a code name for apple or fig. It was a theological concept of placing oneself in the place of God.

I now that the first child was conceived after the Fall. And the Fall is a 3 month long season so I would have to say that they probably had Sex 6 or 7months before the Fall.

He made them male and female for a reason. Physical love comes with marriage. it was a gift.

The curse was that Eve could conceive many times. There is joy in having babies, yes, but pregnacy is hard on your body especially with multiple pregnacies. And childbirth is painful.

But, before the fall, sex sure filled up that lonesomeness Adam was having.

Sex was God’s idea.

But you are looking at it through the mind of a human after the fall. Does it not say in Genesis that once eating of the fruit Adam and Eve realized they were naked and hid until God came looking for them? They were in a state of euphoria and didn’t have the desires and thoughts that we have as humans.

They may have experienced the real manifestation of heaven on Earth where they were with God in God presence and experienced all the good that is in heaven. After they chose to disobey God, they were thrown out of the Garden and thus were on their own never to return to be with him.

Let’s take a step back. It does not say Cain was the first child concieved. All we know is Cain was concieved after the fall, we don’t know if there were any children before the fall and we don’t know if there were any after the fall but before Cain.

We do know that after Cain did Abel in he went to live in the land of Nod, east of Eden. (Gn 4:16). Who was populating this land, which already had been named by somebody, before Cain got there? Somebody had to be.

We can only deduce what is there in writing because, as Fr. Groeschel is so fond of saying: “I was not there.”

:rotfl:

Well, Adam and Eve didn’t exist, so when they first had sex is kinda an irrelevant point. That story (along with the other creation story and Noah) is in the bible simply to try to explain human origin and establish that basic connection between God and humans (before getting into the actual interactions between God and Abraham, Moses, etc…)

The story of Adam and Eve contains Divine Revelation which the Catholic Church teaches as doctrines to be believed. Two basic doctrines are that the human race was founded by two, real, sole, fully complete, true humans and that the first human committed an actual, real original sin.

As you know there are 2 creation stories
[LIST]
*]Gen 1: 26-28
*]Gen 2:7-25
[/LIST]you’re describing both stories, pre and post fall. Painful childbirth and working by the sweat of the brow, etc is the consequence of the fall.

Adam called his wife Eve because she became the mother of all the living*.[Gen 3:20]*
Mary is called the New Eve because she became the mother of all the living in Christ her son*.[Rev 12:17]*

The fortelling of Mary, (the woman) and Her (seed) Jesus (is called the proto evangelium) Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” The woman is Mary, her seed is Jesus. Jesus will crush the head of Satan while Satan will strike at Jesus heel

Mary’s offspring are *
(Rev 12:17
*)** *Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. *

Re: “ever virgin”, do a search on Catholic Answers search engine. catholic.com/

you’ll get the following results catholic.com/search/content/ever%20virgin

Adam and Eve: Real People

*It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism). *
*In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” (Humani Generis 37). *

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catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-evolution

Perhaps just as human life on earth would have had a radically different end if there were no fall, human’s would also have entered life in a radically different way if there were no fall.

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