Aetna CEO on Obamacare: ‘There’s so much wrong, you just don’t know what’s broken until you get a lot more of it fixed.’


#1

From, of all places, the Washington Post:

Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini appeared on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Monday to deliver a brutal review of the Affordable Care Act’s launch.

“When you implement a project of this size, the first thing is unit testing, then application testing, and then integrated testing, and then scaleability testing and user testing,” Bertolini said. “That plan is usually a lot longer than some of the application development itself. That’s happening on the fly.”

The hosts were disbelieving. “None of that was done beforehand?” one asked.

“All of it has been on the fly,” Bertolini said.

It becomes more and more obvious over time that this was intended to fail.


#2

From Breitbart:
Fake Health Exchange Sites Easily Identifiable Because They Work

Some health insurance brokers are setting up states that mimic the name and look of the official state exchanges. But the fake sites are easily identifiable because, unlike the official sites, they work.

:eek::stuck_out_tongue:


#3

Sounds like another incompetent CEO. Didn’t he have lobbyists working on the bill 4 years ago?


#4

Government apparatchiks wrote this mad leviathan bill. Executives of insurance companies were brought in only for optics. No need to worry, however. Republican “leaders” are busy selling the meme that cowardice, and capitulation to Obama’s every demand is the sensible, and honorable choice. :hypno: Rob


#5

Apparently the Affordable Care Act websites cost $400 million.


#6

Way low by half.

With critics panning the Obamacare exchange website Healthcare.gov for its myriad technological problems, a tech news site has surfaced with a dollar estimate for what the glitchy website actually cost taxpayers.

According to Digital Trends, CGI Federal received** $634,320,919 to construct **Healthcare.gov — or more than the amount spent building Linkedin ($200 million) and Spotify ($288 million) combined.

Read more: dailycaller.com/2013/10/10/report-glitchy-healthcare-gov-cost-taxpayers-more-than-634-million-to-build/#ixzz2hoegLbqP

More than was spent to set up Google, Face Book or any other website thus far known to man. To date there is not one solid report of a person purchasing health insurance from the federal website. The people that have successfully signed up are doing so through the state exchanges.


#7

How can it cost that much to create websites?


#8

I hope it’s a one-time charge, but I doubt it.


#9

Figure double to fix it.


#10

How can the US be spending $30,645.84 for every man woman and child living in poverty and still have people living in squalor?

**Remember this is the same organization that’s going to make health care cheaper. **


#11

I don’t really know, but some people simply live squalid lives. Some people who make a lot more than that do.


#12

All those geeks cost money. Imagine factoring in tens of thousands of pages of regulations into the questionnaire. Imagine the interfaces with multiple bureaus of government. Imagine the security concerns.

As I understand they have 51,000 people “signed up” but only 20,000 were from federal exchanges. This in a country of 300,000,000 where the claims were that 30 to 40 million people were without health insurance (of course that wasn’t true but it was used to sell the concept.

Here is reality. Obamacare was a scheme to take more control over individuals’ lives than to save money or provide healthcare. It is the posterchild for the usual Lefitst idiocy…it adds COST BUT NO VALUE.

Think about it, things like a carbon tax add COST BUT NO VALUE.

The Left is all about control. They are not about helping people.

Imagine if you will that 634,000,000 being used to provide HEALTH CARE? I mean what a concept? Taking the Catholic Social Teaching of subsidiarity, block granting funds to low income clinics, hospitals or doctors willing to provide care in these facilities, we could easily take much better care of people, keep the insurance companies out of the mix and let people and doctors make the decisions.

But you know the facts do not matter to the Left. They think they know better. :mad:

Lisa


#13

Just curious where the 20,000 number came from for the federal exchanges. I know they are using PAPER forms to sign people up last Friday because the system could not process electronic applications.


#14

I got it from an article. May or may not be accurate. However signing up doesn’t mean you GET the coverage. It just means you made it through the jungle of a website.

Another article said that these blocks and difficulties were built into the website to prevent “shoppers” people who just want to fish around and see the costs. By forcing a user to provide all sorts of private information, they discourage looky-lous. They are apparently afraid that too many people will realize that if they DO have to use Obamacare, the price will be astronomical. One of the big disasters is that all of the mandates and requirements prevent the kind of high deductible plans that were very much a part of the individual marketplace.

Now you cannot choose what YOU need for YOUR family. You must buy a policy that covers health issues you may not want with deductibles that are lower than you are willing to pay.

Again OBAMACARE ADDS COST AND NO VALUE.

Thanks Democrats! You have inflicted a disaster on the country and guess what…it won’t hurt rich people, it will hurt the middle class and the working poor.

The LEFT is never right.

Lisa


#15

Right. These coverage mandates are about getting people to pay for coverage they don’t want, and by extension help pay for coverage that other people want. And it isn’t limited to Obamacare. States have continued to force coverage upon plans/policies that any particular individual couldn’t care less about.

And of course, that means one cannot make the choices he/she wants. One instead must make a choice that the government wants.


#16

Yes and that’s the real crime. Our state added a bunch of mandates regarding mental health, drug treatment and alternative care. Premiums went up about 40% in one year! But we were able to find another policy with a higher deductible and out of pocket that our employees could CHOOSE if they wished to take the risk that they wouldn’t have a large medical bill that year. But the point is they got to choose a high deductible plan that offered what they wanted instead of being forced into Obamacare’s one plan to rule them all…and in the darkness bind them (couldn’t resist)

Lisa


#17

Colorado…more money wasted on marketing instead of providing HEALTHCARE.
What would be funny if it were not so tragic is the “Baghdad Bob” routine of “everything is just fine!” despite a disaster. What didn’t seem to occur to the morons who designed this program is that if people didn’t want to buy health insurance because it was too expensive before Obamacare, why would they want to buy it when it is more expensive AFTER Obamacare.

I’'m dying to hear a Leftist explain to me why all of the money wasted on administration, marketing, and bureaucrats would not have been better spent to provide actual healthcare to people who need it.

Leftists, speak up. Inquiring minds want to know.

**
Despite $21 million spent on marketing the Affordable Care Act in Colorado, only 226 people have enrolled in the health coverage program in the first week, according to The Associated Press.

Colorado hopes to enroll 136,000 people in health insurance programs through its state-run health care exchange, Connect for Health Colorado, by the end of 2014. That the goal will never be met at the current pace of enrollments doesn’t seem to faze Obamacare managers.

“It’s going really well,” Ben Davis, the director of the Colorado-run health care exchange, told AP.**

Read more: dailycaller.com/2013/10/15/obamacare-flopping-in-colorado-despite-21-million-in-marketing/#ixzz2hpwfQaVc****


#18

Eventually they will fix the computer mess, even if they have to hire Google or somebody to totally reinvent it.

At the risk of being boringly repetitious, though, I don’t regard the glitches as even a small part of the problem. Obamacare is not a healthcare plan or even an insurance plan. It’s an income redistribution plan; fundamentally redistributing wealth from those above the median income level of the middle class to those below it. It serves the latter poorly, and for the former it’s a disaster.

But that’s all just part of the usual effect of the social welfare state. It’s not so much a matter of the benefit to the one as it is the leveling effect on the other.


#19

"You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot lift the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer.
You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away men’s initiative and independence.

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."

William Boetcker

But then they already know this too.


#20

Point taken and isn’t that Obama’s goal? “Equality” for all. He should have run for Prime Minister of France since that is THEIR mantra…liberty, fraternity and equality. But instead of building up the poor or maginalized, he has focused on bringing down the the middle class although demonizing the rich—who’ve done VERY well under Obama thank you very much! America is the country that eschews elitism and a caste system. I recall Dinesh D’Souza saying that Europe (and European loving American elites) cannot stand that in America it doesn’t matter where you were born or who your parents were. Their system has been one of kings and subjects and now they have the model of the Leftist elites in the Beltway and in university ruling us poor great unwashed subjects. THIS is Obama’s America, the few elite puppeteers ruling our lives from lightbulb selection to school lunches to plastic bags to what healthcare they deem “necessary.”

Obamacare was sold on lies. Low information voters heard they would get “healthcare” and most thought it was another freebie. What they got is an obligation to BUY insurance and the onerous regulations and mandates make it MORE expensive for those uninsured who were supposedly the objective of the plan.

As you said, it was never about healthcare, it was about control. Obama’s ego and that of his water bearers Pelosi and Reid cannot allow the intrusion of reality and they defend this monstrosity despite all evidence to the contrary.

Although Obama’s approval is shockingly low despite the sycophants in the media and the Democrat party, there are still the true believers who hang onto an illusion and continue to defend the indefensible.

Lisa


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