After death...

What happens? Do we wait in the grave until raised from the dead? Or do we go straight to heaven/hell/purgatory after our individual judgements, and later the general judgement? Isn’t that redundant though? Confused. :confused:

Most people on here will tell you that we go straight to our immediate judgement and then later on at the second coming, another judgement, but Im not sure on that, one verse talks about the ‘dead’ not knowing or thinking anything, due to them being dead.

This is something we really can only guess about though, no one has these answers, only opinions, but Im sure about one thing, whatever its like and whatever happens, more than likely it will be MUCH different than anything we can imagine.

I don’t think there would be a second judgement. It is like saying that those who went to hell will be judged a second time???

Likewise the saints who are in heaven and received the beatific vision would still have to be judged for something??

We have to remember that time is a side-effect of physical being, and so what appears to be two judgements, owing to the length of physical time involved, really are not.

Likewise is the issue of souls “sleeping.” Souls cannot sleep anyway. Sleeping is a **BODY **function; only bodies sleep or need to. Might as well speak of a soul wiggling or breathing.

Like Michael J Fox taking the De Lorean over that bridge in the 1800s to come out back home, without having to “sleep” through 100 years; you won’t sleep either. Like him, you’d jump over the time involved to recover “back home”. But instead of a car, the mechanism will be a body, your spiritual body. (Pneumatikon soma)

ICXC NIKA.

There is an excellent answer to this question appearing in Got questions.org which is reproduced below :

Question: “What happens after death?”

Answer: Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion regarding what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” heaven or hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?

First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after death believers’ souls/spirits are taken to heaven, because their sins are forgiven by having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16, 18, 36). For believers, death is to be “away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave “sleeping.” At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified, and then reunited with the soul/spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the possession of believers for eternity in the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21-22).

Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, death means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the great white throne, and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not sent to hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried out, “I am in agony in this fire” (Luke 16:24).

Therefore, after death, a person resides in a “temporary” heaven or hell. After this temporary realm, at the final resurrection, a person’s eternal destiny will not change. The precise “location” of that eternal destiny is what changes. Believers will ultimately be granted entrance into the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1). Unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people—based entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).

Thank you everybody. Do you believe that those destined for hell will also receive their bodies back in the resurrection? Or is that for believers in heaven only?

Yes, everybody will live in Eternity.

But the human body in Hell is not the glorified “spiritual body” or pneumatikon soma.

ICXC NIKA

Regarding “two judgments,” see Summa Theologica, Supp., Q. 88, a1:

Whether there will be a general judgment?

Objection 1. It would seem that there will not be a general judgment. For … God judges now of man’s every work, by assigning punishments and rewards to each one after death … Therefore it would seem that there will be no other judgment.

Reply to Objection 1. Each man is both an individual person and a part of the whole human race: wherefore a twofold judgment is due to him. One, the particular judgment, is that to which he will be subjected after death, when he will receive according as he hath done in the body, not indeed entirely but only in part since he will receive not in the body but only in the soul. The other judgment will be passed on him as a part of the human race: thus a man is said to be judged according to human justice, even when judgment is pronounced on the community of which he is a part. Hence at the general judgment of the whole human race by the general separation of the good from the wicked, it follows that each one will be judged. And yet God will not judge “the same thing a second time,” since He will not inflict two punishments for one sin, and the punishment which before the judgment was not inflicted completely will be completed at the last judgment, after which the wicked will be tormented at the same time in body and soul.

Read this:

catholictradition.org/Classics/4last-things.htm

There is a personal judgment, and there is a public last judgment.
The personal judgment decides if a person goes to Heaven, Purgatory, or Hell and they go accordingly.

On the last day, the public judgement will happen to everyone after we are given a resurrected body. Yes, that includes people in heaven, purgatory and in hell. Everyone will have a physical resurrected body before last judgment happens. Then after the public judgment, those were in heaven will go back to heaven with their physical resurrected bodies. Those in Purgatory will go to heaven with their new physical resurrected bodies. And those were in hell will go back to hell and suffer with their physical bodies.

We need to remember we are made of BODY, MIND AND SPIRIT. The body dies, the Spirit never does.
For many years, I was a Hospice nurse. After being with countless patients, and family and friends, who had died, the process was very similar. So many of the dying begin to see and communicate with family and friends who have preceded them in death. Families would think that now the dying person had “lost their mind” because they were talking to Aunt Jane who’d died 10 years ago. I used to not say anything, but finally I just couldn’t keep quiet. I told them that those we loved, who had died, come to meet us when we die. I call them the “welcoming committee.” For many family members, it gave them reassurance that everything would be OK. There seems to be a thin veil at the time of death, when we are quite in between this world and the next, except is sudden death.

Well, souls really cannot ‘gnash’ their teeth either, but many believe in hell, there is literal bodily type suffering going on, of course souls dont have all of the 5 senses our earthly bodies do. but we dont know what senses the glorified bodies will have either…maybe they could sleep?

Of course you could sleep as a pneumatikon soma…and hopefully you’d be nekkid, and have an infinitely more sensuous skin, and an awesomely better dreaming system…so you’d enjoy it even more :):):slight_smile:

But that of course is not what is usually meant by soul-sleep, but a dreamless abeyance of the mind subsequent to human death.

ICXC NIKA!

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