Against Mary - "Totus tuus, Mary"


#1

I just wonder what you would have to say :wink: I really heard it recently.

How could JP II say “Totus tuus, Mary**!**”

If the Pope and you, Catholics, give yourself all to Mary, what is there left to give to Jesus!!?!!


#2

If someone gave Only themselves to Mary they wouldn’t have anything left for Chirst.

Catholics don’t believe that.

They do believe that they can totaly give themselves to Christ THROUGH Mary.

What is so hard to understand about that?


#3

many Catholics go directly to Christ… Mary is brought up maybe 10% of the time during things like Rosary and certain prayers…

Catholics don’t have to go to Mary to get to Christ. its just one option that some chose to increase the power of their prayers…


#4

Hey, I’m on your side!! :slight_smile: I’m 100% Catholic :thumbsup:


#5

I’m a Catholic convert. At first as I was coming to the Catholic faith such things as giving myself totaly to Mary gave me pause but they make perfect sense now.

That can happen fro any Protestant who will be open to the truth and to the Holy Spirit leading them in investigating the Catholic faith.


#6

The apostles never taught such a doctrine. There is absolutely no need to go through Mary or any saint to give yourself to Christ.The apostles never used themselves as some kind of conduit to Christ nor should we.


#7

The apostles ‘never taught’ the Trinity in the form we know it today, nor did they fully understand all the teaching of Scripture and tradition. If they did, we would not have needed the Holy Spirit to ‘guide us to all truth’ to hear the 'many things which Christ wanted to tell the apostles but they could not bear it at the time. . ."

And how do you know they did not teach devotion to Mary, and practice it themselves?


#8

Note that Jesus gave us to her symbolically when He gave John to her.


#9

Yet paul asks the faithful to be imitators of him, so they may be faithful to christ. An if the apostles prayers were of no use as a “conduit” what’s the point of our prayers for anybody.

An we do know one apostle devoted to mary, he took into his home and cared for the all the rest of her life. Strange, that same apostle when he was lifted to heaven saw her there to.:slight_smile:


#10

Have you ever asked a friend to pray for you? As Catholics, we believe the saints are alive. We ask them as friends to pray for and with us–“wherever two or more are gathered…” They also provide examples of authentic lives lived in Christ that encourage us when we may have difficulty focusing on Jesus.
I understand there is much misunderstanding when it comes to the Catholic relationship with Mary and the Saints. In praying the rosary, we meditate on the life of Christ as we pray to God through Mary, as the mother of God. Jesus denied nothing that Mary asked of him–re: the Wedding at Cana. At Nazareth, he was obedient to Mary and Joseph.
In Luke’s gospel we read the Magnificat in which Mary “proclaims the goodness of God. From now on all generations shall call me blessed.” Mary leads us to her son, not away from him.
I’m unsure of the exact issue ( I think it was in July 2005) in which Newsweek had an article on the rosary. I grew up in a Catholic household where the rosary was prayed daily. This is no longer the case for many Catholics. The article focused on how as Catholics have set down the rosary, many non-Catholics have begun praying this prayer that brings so much comfort and a greater understanding of the mysteries that are the life of Christ.


#11

“All generations shall call me blessed”

“Blessed art though amongst women”

Do you call Mary blessed? Is she something great and different in your world, or are you one of the percentage of protestant types who deems her nothing more than a normal woman who was chosen to bear a son? Honestly, this pick and choose theology has got to stop.


#12

I would say that He gave us to her metaphorically rather than symbolically. A symbol is a reality which stands for another separate reality. A metaphor transfers the reality of one thing to another thing. In any case, we were given to her. She is our mother now.


#13

I would say that He gave us to her metaphorically rather than symbolically. A symbol is a reality which stands for another separate reality. A metaphor transfers the reality of one thing to another thing. In any case, we were given to her. She is our mother now.


#14

Tantum ergo;2546382]The apostles ‘never taught’ the Trinity in the form we know it today, nor did they fully understand all the teaching of Scripture and tradition. If they did, we would not have needed the Holy Spirit to ‘guide us to all truth’ to hear the 'many things which Christ wanted to tell the apostles but they could not bear it at the time. . ."

The Trinity doctrine can be supported specifically from the scriptures the Marian devotions cannot.

And how do you know they did not teach devotion to Mary, and practice it themselves?

The only record we have of the apostles is found in the NT and it is not there. It was always to Christ alone and never to Mary or any saint.


#15

promethius95945;2546424]Do you call Mary blessed?

Yes. She was blessed because she was used by God to bring Christ into the world.

Is she something great and different in your world, or are you one of the percentage of protestant types who deems her nothing more than a normal woman who was chosen to bear a son?

How does the NT present her? Do we find any writer of the NT exalting her to queen of heaven, sinless, prayed to? You can search the entire NT word for word and you will never find such things like this spoke of in regards to her.

Honestly, this pick and choose theology has got to stop.


#16

The NT never implies nor state that she is the mother of the church.


#17

It tells us that she is the mother of the “beloved disciple”. The name John is not mentioned there. Perhaps also the author’s intent?! Something to think of but the Church has done the thinking for us already.

On the contrary - the Biblie never implies that what is not implied must not be applied as it is not implied :cool: :wink:


#18

I’ve got some good responses to you, read them carefully… BUT…stay on the topic… :wink:

Luke 1:28 (Full of Grace) and the Immaculate Conception: Linguistic and Exegetical Considerations

"All Have Sinned . . . " (Mary?)

Why Catholics Believe in the Perpetual Virginity of Mary


#19

Paul says ‘I preached to you the gospel which you recieved in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold fast, unless you believed in vain’ 1Cor15

These oral teaching which are in the Tradition which is the bible itself in which you wholly believe in. Comes to us from the apostles.


#20

I don’t see how you can make that claim.

Given the fact that

  1. the Church is body of Christ, Mary of whom Jesus took flesh from being, his Mother,
  2. The symbolic given of the Mother over to the beloved disciple, this disciple being the only one of the 12 at cross (other having been scattered by fear)

Those are at least 2 implications


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