[quote=apophasis]The cross of Christ saves sinners from their sins. The Bible teaches nowhere that it “protects” anyone from sin.
So let me get this straight, you apparently believe that when people do good things, this ‘goodness’ comes totally from their own human effort and has nothing to do with Jesus, right?
No. Of course you don’t believe this.
You believe (as do I) that good works proceed via the power of God’s grace. You probably also believe that God’s grace can be either preventive or redemptive (I know I believe this).
In other words, God’s grace can both prevent people from sinning and redeem people after they’ve sinned too.
[quote=apophasis]If one was “protected” from sin there would be no need for the cross in the first place.
God’s grace, whether this grace be preventive or redemptive, proceeds from Christ cruxified on the cross apophasis.
For example, Acts 20:32 points out that God’s grace can build us up and give us an inheritance among all those who are sanctified. In 1 Corinthians 3:10 Paul himself notes how by the grace God had given him, he laid a foundation as an expert builder-- and someone else is building on it. This is even more prononced in 2 Corinthians 9:8 where the Scriptures say that God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
These are examples of preventive grace, the means by which God prevents people from sinning.
Likewise, however, according to Romans 3:24, we are also justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. Ephesians 1:5-7 captures this very well when it says he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. In Jesus we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace. This can be seen in Ephesians 2:4-5 too…
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
These are examples of redemptive grace, the means by which God redeems people after they’ve sinned.
Both forms of grace proceed from Christ on the cross.
[quote=apophasis]Why would Christ die for the “just?”
Because the just would not have been “just” without Christ’s dying on the cross.
All grace, preventive or redemptive, proceeds from Christ’s death on the cross.
[quote=apophasis]In the case of the Romans passage, you can take that “all” literally.
So you believe that little babies have sinned? How about the mentally disabled?
I’m sorry but I disagree with you.
And if you believe that little babies cannot be baptized because they have not sinned, then you do not actually believe that babies can sin– and that means that even you do not believe that “all” have literally sinned either.
In other words, I think you disagree with yourself.
Yes, ALL did sin. Including Mary. Afterall, she was a descendant of Adam.
I think JoeyWarren has done an excellent job dismantling your presumptions about the passage found in Romans 3:22-24. I kind of figured something like this was the case already, but I wasn’t sure until now.
Anyway, thanks for the contributions.
Isn’t it fun when we compare our belief systems to see where we agree and disagree?
It’s kind of like finding redemptive analogies in all the different layers of meaning within the One Gospel message as expressed by dozens of different Christian denominations.