I have been studying (as most of you no doubt no doubt know) on the state of the dead. I think I have it (except for two verses I am not tottaly sure about). I was hopeing that some of you would look over it and see if it’s all good or if I have goofed on it and need better direction. Thanks.
State of The Dead
Belief: One should find it obvious that ones soul does not sleep after death but, is judged and receives ones due reward. Objections: Rom. 6:23
1 Tim. 6:15, 16
Eccl. 9:5, 6
Ps. 146:3, 4
1 Cor. 15:51-54
1 Thess. 4:13-17
John 5:28, 29
Reply: Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
I don’t see how that relates.
1 Tim. 6:15,16 and this will be made manifest at the proper time by the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.
Umm… “No man has seen or can see” by that reasoning would mean we would never get to heaven.
Ecc. 9:5,6 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward; but the memory of them is lost. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and they have no more for ever any share in all that is done under the sun.
Psalm 146:3,4 Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no help. When his breath departs he returns to his earth; on that very day his plans perish.
This proves only that there is there is no help in worldly things (princes) and that their bodies return to the earth (as genesis states) and that his plans die with him as plans oft do when those who are supposed to execute die.
John 11:11-14 Thus he spoke, and then he said to them, “Our friend Laz’arus has fallen asleep, but I go to awake him out of sleep.” The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus told them plainly, "Laz’arus is dead;
I fail to see the connection. People say that someone has “fallen asleep” when they die but, bears no point on the soul as people on this thread have made abundantly clear.
again with 1 Cor. 15:51-54 I fail to see the connection. Paul is talking about the general judgment when this happens.
1st thess. 4:13-17 But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.
it sounds to me like its saying that that the dead will be judged before those who are alive (as if those who died are judged and could go to heaven hell or purgatory.)
John 5:28, 29 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.
I would like to give you the next verse which was conveniently left out. John 5:30 I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just
these verses in no way implies soul sleep. It simply states that they will be doing a little waiting before Jesus will judge them (which leads me to think possibly when Jesus is done with Calvary or whenever Jesus feels like, as with Moses and Elijah)
Rev. 20:1-10, I will admit I don’t quite understand. Thou I still fail to see a connection. If the lord is going to resurrect our bodies at the General Judgment I don’t see why he couldn’t do that with a few people, (I mean he is God after all). Maybe someone else can offer some insight.-help with this one please