Pledge dates to 1800’s … adopted by USA with support of American Legion and Knights of Columbus in 1900’s. Free Masons have secret oath stance — they kneel and place Rt. Hand over heart. Did the Free Masons within the Amer. Legion and K.C. influence the stance we take when pledging allegiance to USA Flag ?
We don’t kneel when we say the pledge. Placing the right hand over the heart as a sign of loyalty goes back AT LEAST to the ancient Romans (and it surely was around way before them).
And what makes you think there were Masons in the KC, or that the KC had anything to do with the original pledge? The pledge was written (by a Baptist preacher) the same year the KC was first founded.
They don’t always kneel either … they do it both ways.
The Masons are everywhere. 2 Million in USA … and permeate the business world and its various clubs.
True enuf it was a Baptist Liberal who wrote it … but, his pledge was changed [against his desires] by Masons [perhaps], in the KC.
You’ve been listening to too many conspiracy wackos.
Actually, the original flag salute was with the right arm outstretched (another very ancient salute). But along came the Nazis, and Franklin Roosevelt changed it to the hand-over-heart salute because the original flag salute looked just like the Nazi salute.
And, FWIW, Roosevelt was a Mason.
And, I think 12 other Presidents. Perhaps not 2 Million in the states, … but, they are very influential and hold much political power.
Washington DC … was built [Architecturally] by the Masons. All their major signs/symbols are visible in DC structures.
Might you be a Mason
Is there no help for the widow’s son?
Also 8 signers of the Declaration of Independence for sure were Masons and 10 are referred to as Masons but lodge affiliation is not confirmed. 15 Presidents, 35 supreme court justices, 17 senators that I know of, 32 U.S. military leaders, 38 American pioneers some of whom are William Clark (Lewis and Clark), Samuel Colt, and Paul Revere.
I guess is what I am getting at is what is the big deal? Yes There were and are Masons who run this country and who were intricate in the founding of it. The Masonic finger print is every where. This does not change that they were good people who did good things or made critical advancements.
Question though should we go back to the pledge with how it was originally written?
I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.
I can’t be a Mason - I’m a Catholic.
What’s with all the paranoia surrounding freemasonry in traditional Catholic circles? Often, I read accusations on traditionalist websites about popes, bishops, priests, and various Catholics responsible for liturgical changes any time over the last 100 years as being Freemasons- not satanists, not protestants, not secularists. That seems to be the harshest insult they feel they can deliver. There are principles of freemasonry that make it incompatible with Catholicism, so we shouldn’t join it- but that doesn’t make everyone who does join it horrible people.
Perhaps a few priests might have infiltrated the Catholic Church in past. Certainly not as Popes or Bishops.
Since some Protestants know that Masonery is incompatible with the Church [we take ONLY an oath to follow Christ] … that is why it is the preferred ‘charge’ to make against the Church membership.
brb2, the list is quite extensive. The following is a list of Masons in the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
The following is a list of Masons reprinted with some updates from the Bulletin de l’Occident Chrétien Nr.12, July, 1976, (Directeur Pierre Fautrad a Fye - 72490 Bourg Le Roi.) All of the men on this list, if they in fact be Masons, are excommunicated by Canon Law 2338. Each man’s name is followed by his position, if known; the date he was initiated into Masonry, his code #; and his code name, if known.
Albondi, Alberto. Bishop of Livorno, (Leghorn). Initiated 8-5-58; I.D. # 7-2431.
Abrech, Pio. In the Sacred Congregation Bishops. 11-27-67; # 63-143.
Acquaviva, Sabino. Professor of Religion at the University of Padova, (Padua). 12-3-69; # 275-69.
Alessandro, Father Gottardi. (Addressed as Doctor in Masonic meetings.) President of Fratelli Maristi. 6-14-59.
Angelini Fiorenzo. Bishop of Messenel Greece. 10-14-57; # 14-005.
Argentieri, Benedetto. Patriarch to the Holy See. 3-11-70; # 298-A.
Bea, Augustin. Cardinal. Secretary of State (next to Pope) under Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI.
Baggio, Sebastiano. Cardinal. Prefect of the Sacred Congregation of Bishops. (This is a crucial Congregation since it appoints new Bishops.) Secretary of State under Pope John Paul II from 1989 to 1992. 8-14-57; # 85-1640. Masonic code name “SEBA.” He controls consecration of Bishops.
Balboni, Dante. Assistant to the Vatican Pontifical . Commission for Biblical Studies. 7-23-68; # 79-14 “BALDA.”
Baldassarri Salvatore. Bishop of Ravenna, Italy. 2-19-58; # 4315-19. “BALSA.”
Balducci, Ernesto. Religious sculpture artist. 5-16-66; # 1452-3.
Basadonna, Ernesto. Prelate of Milan, 9-14-63; # 9-243. “BASE.”
Batelli, Guilio. Lay member of many scientific academies. 8-24-59; # 29-A. “GIBA.”
Bedeschi, Lorenzo. 2-19-59; # 24-041. “BELO.”
Belloli, Luigi. Rector of Seminar; Lombardy, Ita- ly. 4-6-58; # 22-04. “BELLU.”
Belluchi, Cleto. Coadjutor Bishop of Fermo, Italy. 6-4-68; # 12-217.
Bettazzi, Luigi. Bishop of Ivera, Italy. 5-11-66; # 1347-45. “LUBE.”
Bianchi, Ciovanni. 10-23-69; # 2215-11. “BIGI.”
Biffi, Franco, Msgr. Rector of Church of St. John Lateran Pontifical University. He is head of this University and controls what is being taught. He heard confessions of Pope Paul VI. 8-15-59. “BIFRA.”
Bicarella, Mario. Prelate of Vicenza, Italy. 9-23-64; # 21-014. “BIMA.”
Bonicelli, Gaetano. Bishop of Albano, Italy. 5-12-59; # 63-1428, “BOGA.”
Boretti, Giancarlo. 3-21-65; # 0-241. “BORGI.”
Bovone, Alberto. Substitute Secretary of the Sacred Office. 3-30-67; # 254-3. “ALBO.”
Brini, Mario. Archbishop. Secretary of Chinese, Oriental, and Pagans. Member of Pontifical Commission to Russia. Has control of rewriting Canon Law. 7-7-68; # 15670. “MABRI.”
Bugnini, Annibale. Archbishop.Wrote Novus Ordo Mass. Envoy to Iran, 4-23-63; # 1365-75. “BUAN.”
Buro, Michele. Bishop. Prelate of Pontifical Commission to Latin America, 3-21-69; # 140-2. “BUMI.”
Cacciavillan, Agostino. Secretariat of State. 11-6-60; # 13-154.
Cameli, Umberto. Director in Office of the Ecclesiastical Affairs of Italy in regard to education in Catholic doctrine. 11-17-60; # 9-1436.
Caprile, Giovanni. Director of Catholic Civil Affairs. 9-5-57; # 21-014. “GICA.”
Caputo, Giuseppe. 11-15-71; # 6125-63. “GICAP.”
Casaroli, Agostino. Cardinal. Secretary of State (next to Pope) under Pope John Paul II since July 1, 1979 until retired in 1989. 9-28-57; # 41-076. “CASA.”
Cerruti, Flaminio. Chief of the Office of the University of Congregation Studies. 4-2-60; # 76-2154. “CEFLA.”
Ciarrocchi, Mario. Bishop. 8-23-62; # 123-A. “CIMA.”
Chiavacci, Enrico. Professor of Moral Theology, University of Florence, Italy. 7-2-70; # 121-34. “CHIE.”
Conte, Carmelo. 9-16-67; # 43-096. “CONCA.”
Csele, Alessandro. 3-25-60; # 1354-09. “ALCSE.”
Dadagio, Luigi. Papal Nuncio to Spain. Archbishop of Lero. 9-8-67. # 43-B. “LUDA.”
D’Antonio, Enzio. Archbishop of Trivento. 6-21-69; # 214-53.
De Bous, Donate. Bishop. 6-24-68; # 321-02. “DEBO.”
Del Gallo Reoccagiovane, Luigi. Bishop.
Del Monte, Aldo. Bishop of Novara, Italy. 8-25-69; # 32-012. “ADELMO.”
Faltin, Danielle. 6-4-70; # 9-1207. “FADA.”
Ferraioli, Giuseppe. Member of Sacred Congregation for Public Affairs. 11-24-69; # 004-125. “GIFE.”
Franzoni, Giovanni. 3-2-65; # 2246-47. “FRAGI.”
Gemmiti, Vito. Sacred Congregation of Bishops. 3-25-68; # 54-13. “VIGE.”
Girardi, Giulio. 9-8-70; # 1471-52. “GIG.”
Fiorenzo, Angelinin. Bishop. Title of Commendator of the Holy Spirit. Vicar General of Roman Hospitals. Controls hospital trust funds. Consecrated Bishop 7-19-56; joined Masons 10-14-57.
Giustetti, Massimo. 4-12-70; # 13-065. “GIUMA.”
Gottardi, Alessandro. Procurator and Postulator General of Fratelli Maristi. Archbishop of Trent. 6-13-59; # 2437-14. “ALGO.”
Gozzini, Mario. 5-14-70; # 31-11. “MAGO.”
Grazinai, Carlo. Rector of the Vatican Minor Seminary. 7-23-61; # 156-3. “GRACA.”
Gregagnin, Antonio. Tribune of First Causes for Beatification. 10-19-67; # 8-45. “GREA.”
Gualdrini, Franco. Rector of Capranica. 5-22-61; # 21-352. “GUFRA.”
Ilari, Annibale. Abbot. 3-16-69; # 43-86. “ILA.”
Laghi, Pio. Nunzio, Apostolic Delegate to Argentina, and then to U.S.A. until 1995. 8-24-69; # 0-538. “LAPI.”
Lajolo, Giovanni. Member of Council of Public Affairs of the Church. 7-27-70; # 21-1397. “LAGI.”
Lanzoni, Angelo. Chief of the Office of Secretary of State. 9-24-56; # 6-324. “LANA.”
Levi, Virgillio (alias Levine), Monsignor. Assistant Director of Official Vatican Newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano. Manages Vatican Radio Station. 7-4-58; # 241-3. “VILE.”
Lozza, Lino. Chancellor of Rome Academy of St. Thomas Aquinas of Catholic Religion. 7-23-69; # 12-768. “LOLI.”
Lienart, Achille. Cardinal. Grand Master top Mason. Bishop of Lille, France. Recruits Masons. Was leader of progressive forces at Vatican II Council.
Macchi, Pasquale. Cardinal. Pope Paul’s Prelate of Honour and Private Secretary until he was excommunicated for heresy by Pope Paul VI. Was reinstated by Secretary of State Jean Villot, and made a Cardinal. 4-23-58; # 5463-2. “MAPA.”
Mancini, Italo. Director of Sua Santita. 3-18-68; # l551-142. “MANI.”
Manfrini, Enrico. Lay Consultor of Pontifical Commission of Sacred Art. 2-21-68; # 968-c. “MANE.”
Marchisano, Francesco. Prelate Honour of the Pope. Secretary Congregation for Seminaries and Universities of Studies. 2-4-61; 4536-3. “FRAMA.”
Marcinkus, Paul. American bodyguard for imposter Pope. From Cicero, Illinois. Stands 6’4". President for Institute for Training Religious. 8-21-67; # 43-649. Called “GORILLA.” Code name “MARPA.”
Marsili, Saltvatore. Abbot of Order of St. Benedict of Finalpia near Modena, Italy. 7-2-63; # 1278-49. “SALMA.”
Mazza, Antonio. Titular Bishop of Velia. Secretary General of Holy Year, 1975. 4-14-71. # 054-329. “MANU.”
Mazzi, Venerio. Member of Council of Public Affairs of the Church. 10-13-66; # 052-s. “MAVE.”
Mazzoni, Pier Luigi. Congregation of Bishops. 9-14-59; # 59-2. “PILUM.”
Maverna, Luigi. Bishop of Chiavari, Genoa, Italy. Assistant General of Italian Catholic Azione. 6-3-68; # 441-c. “LUMA.”
Mensa, Albino. Archbishop of Vercelli, Piedmont, Italy. 7-23-59; # 53-23. " MENA."
Messina, Carlo. 3-21-70; # 21-045. “MECA.”
Messina, Zanon (Adele). 9-25-68; # 045-329. " AMEZ."
Monduzzi, Dino. Regent to the Prefect of the Pontifical House. 3-11 -67; # 190-2. “MONDI.”
Mongillo, Daimazio. Professor of Dominican Moral Theology, Holy Angels Institute of Roma. 2-16-69; # 2145-22. “MONDA.”
Morgante, Marcello. Bishop of Ascoli Piceno in East Italy. 7-22-55; # 78-3601. MORMA."
Natalini, Teuzo. Vice President of the Archives of Secretariat of the Vatican. 6-17-67; # 21-44d. “NATE.”
Nigro, Carmelo. Rector of the Seminary, Pontifical of Major Studies. 12-21-70; # 23-154. “CARNI.”
Noe, Virgillio. Head of the Sacred Congregation of Divine Worship. He and Bugnini paid 5 Protestant Ministers and one Jewish Rabbi to create the Novus Ordo Mass. 4-3-61; # 43652-21. “VINO.”
Palestra, Vittorie. He is Legal Council of the Sacred Rota of the Vatican State. 5-6-43; # 1965. “PAVI.”
Pappalardo, Salvatore. Cardinal. Archbishop of Palermo, Sicily. 4-15-68; # 234-07. “SALPA.”
Pasqualetti, Gottardo. 6-15-60; # 4-231. “COPA.”
Pasquinelli, Dante. Council of Nunzio of Madrid. 1-12-69; # 32-124. “PADA.”
Pellegrino, Michele. Cardinal. Called “Protector of the Church”, Archbishop of Torino (Turin, where the Holy Shroud of Jesus is kept). 5-2-60; # 352-36. “PALMI.”
Piana, Giannino. 9-2-70; # 314-52. “GIPI.”
Pimpo, Mario. Vicar of Office of General Affairs. 3-15-70; # 793-43. “PIMA.”
Pinto, Monsignor Pio Vito. Attaché of Secretary of State and Notare of Second Section of Supreme Tribunal and of Apostolic Signature. 4-2-70; # 3317-42. “PIPIVI.”
Poletti, Ugo. Cardinal. Vicar of S.S. Diocese of Rome. Controls clergy of Rome since 3-6-73. Member of Sacred Congregation of Sacraments and of Divine Worship. He is President of Pontifical Works and Preservation of the Faith. Also President of the Liturgical Academy. 2-17-69; # 32-1425. “UPO.”
Rizzi, Monsignor Mario. Sacred Congregation of Oriental Rites. Listed as “Prelate Bishop of Honour of the Holy Father, the Pope.” Works under top-Mason Mario Brini in manipulating Canon Law. 9-16-69; # 43-179. “MARI,” “MONMARI.”
Romita, Florenzo. Was in Sacred Congregation of Clergy. 4-21-56; # 52-142. “FIRO.”
Rogger, Igine. Officer in S.S. (Diocese of Rome). 4-16-68; # 319-13. “IGRO.”
Rossano, Pietro. Sacred Congregation of Non-Christian Religions. 2-12-68; # 3421-a. “PIRO.”
Rovela, Virgillio. 6-12-64; # 32-14. “ROVI.”
Sabbatani, Aurelio. Archbishop of Giustiniana (Giusgno, Milar Province, Italy). First Secretary Supreme Apostolic Segnatura. 6-22-69; # 87-43. “ASA”
Sacchetti, Guilio. Delegate of Governors - Marchese. 8-23-59; # 0991-b. “SAGI.”
Salerno, Francesco. Bishop. Prefect Atti. Eccles. 5-4-62; # 0437-1. “SAFRA”
Santangelo, Franceso. Substitute General of Defense Legal Counsel. 11-12-70; # 32-096. “FRASA.”
Santini, Pietro. Vice Official of the Vicar. 8-23-64; # 326-11. “SAPI.”
Savorelli, Fernando. 1-14-69; # 004-51. “SAFE.”
Savorelli, Renzo. 6-12-65; # 34-692. “RESA.”
Scanagatta, Gaetano. Sacred Congregation of the Clergy. Member of Commission of Pomei and Loreto, Italy. 9-23-71; # 42-023. “GASCA.”
Schasching, Giovanni. 3-18-65; # 6374-23. “GISCHA,” “GESUITA.”
Schierano, Mario. Titular Bishop of Acrida (Acri in Cosenza Province, Italy.) Chief Military Chaplain of the Italian Armed Forces. 7-3-59; #14-3641. “MASCHI.”
Semproni, Domenico. Tribunal of the Vicarate of the Vatican. 4-16-60; # 00-12. “DOSE.”
Sensi, Giuseppe Mario. Titular Archbishop of Sardi (Asia Minor near Smyrna). Papal Nunzio to Portugal. 11-2-67; # 18911-47. “GIMASE.”
Sposito, Luigi. Pontifical Commission for the Archives of the Church in Italy. Head Administrator of the Apostolic Seat of the Vatican.
Suenens, Leo. Cardinal. Title: Protector of the Church of St. Peter in Chains, outside Rome. Promotes Protestant Pentecostalism (Charismatics). Destroyed much Church dogma when he worked in 3 Sacred Congregations: 1) Propagation of the Faith; 2) Rites and Ceremonies in the Liturgy; 3) Seminaries. 6-15-67; # 21-64. “LESU.”
Trabalzini, Dino. Bishop of Rieti (Reate, Peruga, Italy). Auxiliary Bishop of Southern Rome. 2-6-65; # 61-956. “TRADI.”
Travia, Antonio. Titular Archbishop of Termini Imerese. Head of Catholic schools. 9-15-67; # 16-141. “ATRA.”
Trocchi, Vittorio. Secretary for Catholic Laity in Consistory of the Vatican State Consultations. 7-12-62; # 3-896. “TROVI.”
Tucci, Roberto. Director General of Vatican Radio. 6-21-57; # 42-58. “TURO.”
Turoldo, David. 6-9-67; # 191-44. “DATU.”
Vale, Georgio. Priest. Official of Rome Diocese. 2-21-71; # 21-328. “VAGI.”
Vergari, Piero. Head Protocol Officer of the Vatican Office Segnatura. 12-14-70; # 3241-6. “PIVE.”
Villot, Jean. Cardinal. Secretary of State during Pope Paul VI. He is Camerlengo (Treasurer). “JEANNI,” “ZURIGO.”
Zanini, Lino. Titular Archbishop of Adrianopoli, which is Andrianopolis, Turkey. Apostolic Nuncio. Member of the Revered Fabric of St. Peter’s Basilica.
THE FOLLOWING CLERGY WERE EXPOSED AFTER THE ABOVE LIST WAS COMPILED:
Fregi, Francesco Egisto. 2-14-63; # 1435-87.
Tirelli, Sotiro. 5-16-63; # 1257-9. “TIRSO.”
Cresti, Osvaldo. 5-22-63; # 1653-6. “CRESO.”
Rotardi, Tito. 8-13-63; # 1865-34. “TROTA.”
Orbasi, Igino. 9-17-73; # 1326-97. “ORBI.”
Drusilla, Italia. 10-12-63; # 1653-2. "'DRUSI "
Ratosi, Tito. 11-22-63; # 1542-74 “TRATO.”
Crosta, Sante. 11-17-63; # 1254-65. "CROSTAS.
Created July 16, 1996. Ninth update March 14, 1997 by “The Enddays” Ministry
This is the source that I obtained it from
I see perhaps 100-120 on the list. Most are not the KEY Church leadership. Lets say even if the # were as high as 200. 200 out of 100’s of thousands of Church leadership is quite small.
And we know Christ had a demon in his original 12. 8 % perhaps] …
Tell us more !!! Very interesting stuff.
I freely admit the numbers are very small. And considering the size of our beloved CC as you point out is fairly small. I did notice a few Bishops and Cardinals on the list though. That I find a little disheartening. Then of course there are the accusations of Pope John XXIII and his ties to Masonry. The sight’s I found this on I can not speak for there credibility but here are a link or two. The first on is a bit long 14 pages. The second link is a little shorter and seem to back up the first link. The last link is the shortest. If you have time check them out and let me know what you think.
Just a bit of info. I do not want to come across like I am trying to drag the CC through the mud. I love the CC and our leaders. The numbers are very small over all. Just information I have obtained.
Cardinals have only recently had to be priests to hold that position.
Bishops … yes, thats a tragedy. However, the Apostles were bishop status … and again, Judas was a demon.
Ya I understand. We sometimes I think put our church leaders up on a pedestal and forget that they too are sinful human’s. Their affiliation does not mean they are evil people. Just against what the church teaching is. Who knows maybe some day the stance will change but I doubt it in the near future.
Knights of Columbus were instrumental with insisting on the words “one nation under God” be put into the pledge - that’s ALL. If somone is so paranoid to think the knights have masonic influence they are speaking from utter ignorance. I am a Knight and the oaths taken are SUBORDINATE to and obedient to Church Law and Teaching. The Church teaches definitively that Freemasonry is HIGHLY incompatible with Christianity so its a No-Brainer that Knights CAN NOT be a Knight and a Catholic if they are a Free Mason. It’s automatic excommunication and that also means they are no longer knights in fact.