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An exercise in biblical inspiration: Did Adam live 900 years?


#102

Source? I’m heard something similar before, and this subject greatly interests me.

Thanks & God Bless


#103

Yeap… all very true.


#104

Maybe the bible just has errors.


#105

Yes. At least that is what was proposed. The numbers are not literal. They are meant to convey something else. Sort of how we might today refer to someone as a giant. Certainly he or she is not a giant but has great stature.


#106

I can’t recall exactly where, but the bible itself holds a literal passage justifying the reduction in years of life (and setting the limit at 140 years - if I recall correctly). There is also a reason given - again, if I recall correctly. I don’t have time right now to search for the passages…But I like those sections of scripture.

As for creationism and the wording of Genesis…Well, I’m not going to go into that debate. Exactly where, and how far, it is literal or symbolic would make for a lengthy exposition - wikipedia alone gives an endless article on “creationism” myths and theories. I don’t appreciate too much that debate, is involves plenty of “unproductive” arguments from lots of people.

However, there was an interesting argument (in “Crossing the threshold of hope”) from saint John Paul II:“The soul was certainly created at a given moment.”

Plus, the latter versicle “Before God 1000 years is like minute, and 1 minute like 1000 years” gives plenty of latitude for looking at time in symbolic/relative manner. And parts of Holy Scripture were written in collaboration with the Holy Spirit, by man of their time and holds their views and literary style of their time.

So any “wanting to be to strict” argument exaggerating on literal view is bound to loose out on a much broader and complex context of sacred scripture.

God bless.

These days I focus on my personal relationship with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Observing the fruits of the Holy Spirit and keeping my aims on them - and the challenges of my daily life. I think it is a much more productive perspective in trying to conduct myself according with sanctity, than taking exaggerated attention on things of scripture that are hardly possible to interpret. There are so many interesting and challenging things in life.


#107

This was proclaimed a dogma and thus is true!! The debate on some of the Marian dogmas took centuries, millennia. It touches upon the magisterium of the church.


#110

pretty sure that the point of writing that adam lived 900 years was to explain why humans don’t live past 120 years. it’s just a literary technique to show that sin limits life


#111

Man, I shouldn’t have deleted the posts I just made… but they were related to Sumerian texts. They don’t have these concerns about sin the way the Jews did. How do you explain their use of long lifespans?

And before you might say they’re different cultures, they’re really not. Abraham originally came from the the same region. And I can list one Sumerian hero who was more than likely the same Nimrod mentioned in the Bible: Enmerkar, who was said to reign 420 or 900 years, depending on the text.

And his tale is so close to the scriptures that it even has an account similar to the Tower of Babel:

Once upon a time there was no snake, there was no scorpion,
There was no hyena, there was no lion,
There was no wild dog, no wolf,
There was no fear, no terror,
Man had no rival.
In those days, the lands of Subur and Hamazi,
Harmony-tongued Sumer, the great land of the decrees of princeship,
Uri, the land having all that is appropriate,
The land Martu, resting in security,
The whole universe, the people in unison
To Enlil in one tongue spoke.

Then Enki, the lord of abundance whose commands are trustworthy,
The lord of wisdom, who understands the land,
The leader of the gods,
Endowed with wisdom, the lord of Eridu
Changed the speech in their mouths, brought contention into it,
Into the speech of man that until then had been one. -Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta, 2100 BC


#112

“legendary king”

he didn’t live for 900 years…it’s just legend


#113

He isn’t anything, in comparison to some of their kings, who lived thousands of years. lol. “Legend” is relative.


#114

lol

the oldest person who ever lived was 122. that’s the only verifiable source we have


#115

Well, before you say these were silly people who liked fairy tales or exaggerated, they were surprisingly keen on some things.

Like this Sumerian illustration… it looks like remarkably close to the Solar System. They weren’t too simple-minded at least.

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#116

just because they had an understanding of astrological patterns doesn’t mean that everything else they believed in was true. the greeks made many strides in philosophy but the greeks believed in half goat half human satyrs.


#117

According to them, they never made any “strides”. It’s nothing like the Greeks. They said they were taught by gods. This isn’t too far off from the Jewish legends in Enoch…except there it says they were fallen angels (the same mentioned in Genesis). The same book of Enoch quoted in New Testament Jude.

"And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all coloring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal, taught astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon…” - 1 Enoch VIII


#118

This is why I deleted those above posts. I really didn’t want to mention any of this, but it’s kind of hard not to, once you start talking about Genesis. It’s part of a whole body of literature and wasn’t created in some vacuum… especially a vacuum that people only look at with a modern lens.

But these old texts are kind of stumbling blocks. I don’t put my full trust in them, but I throw them out there anyways, just to give some context. Food for thought at least.


#119

Right, according to St Thomas the human body can’t go on forever in the state Adam was in. It was energized and regenerated by the soul in a way ours aren’t and the tree of life prolonged life. But it couldn’t go on indefinitely. As you mentioned it wasn’t eternal life. they really were immortal in the sense that their intended end wasn’t death. Their earthly life was not meant to end in death but it couldn’t last forever unless they fulfilled their end. How long? Who knows? The Patriarchs lived a short life compared I would imagine. Maybe not. Maybe like Enoch it was only supposed to take 365 years to complete a human life and for it to end.

About the ego and the serpent. You know how ego perceives it’s self at the center of everything. No matter what’s going on the ego thinks it’s all about him/her.
Did you see the ego in the serpent?

Gen 2:16
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You may freely eat** of every tree of the garden;** 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,

Gen 3:3
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other wild animal that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God say, ‘You shall not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

It’s like when God said not to eat from the tree the serpent was in, the serpent heard God say 'you shall not eat from any tree in the garden" :smile:


#120

Here is an interesting thing that I got from here almost 10 years ago. The poster believed it proved that Genesis was not inspired. Can you imagine? The thinking was that it proved that the author used the math to prevent the text from being corrupted. It’s pretty cool. I don’t think the author had an inkling of this.

If you count the weeks from creation week to the day of the flood, it equals 86,400 weeks. From creation to the very day it began began to flood, 86,400 weeks passed.

There are 86,400 seconds in a day.

The weeks are counted by using the age of the father when the son was born. Noah’s age and then Genesis gives the number of days within the year by giving the date. “in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month,” That equals 45 days or 6.48 weeks.

The calculation.

Adam 130 years whern Seth is born
Seth 105 when Enosh is born
Enosh 90 when Kenan was born
Kenan 70 Mahalel was born
Mahalel 65 when Jared is born
Jared 162 when Enoch is born
Enoch 65 when Methusaleh was born
Methusaleh 187 when Lamech was born
Lamech 182 when Noah was born
Noah was 600 years old when the flood began.

Gen 7:11 " In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.

Total years from creation to flood = 1656 years

1656 AT 52.17 weeks per year = 86,393.52 weeks

Noah is 600 yrs old at the time of flood, it’s anywhere within the 45th day of that year.

45.36/7 day week =6.48 weeks).86,393.52 + 6.48 = 86,400 weeks from creation to destruction.
“on the precise day named”

There are 86,400 seconds in a 24 hour cycle.


#121

You know that’s the whole point of the narrative, right? That it’s a miraculous conception and birth… :wink:


#122

https://creation.com/living-for-900-years

-some sources on telomeres


#123

If the Bible is the Word of God as we believe it should not have errors.

There might be some mistranslations but those can be fixed by looking back at the original Hebrew text. Other than that the Bible is the word of God.


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