An exercise in biblical inspiration: Did Adam live 900 years?


#165

The notion – permitted by the Church! – that the first chapters of Genesis include ‘figurative’ accounts, and provide an allegory rather than a literal historical account.


#166

Permitted, not required. And the fact that Adam, Seth, Enoch and all the other people before Noah show up in Jesus’s genealogy seals the deal.


#167

Agreed. Yet, the assertion being made here (the very one I’m engaged in repudiating) attempts to do precisely the same thing, but in the other direction. Namely, if successfully argued, then it makes the literalistic understanding of pre-historic Genesis the only possible understanding. And, as you have acceded, that’s not what the Church teaches. :wink:

Oh, boy. You don’t want to look too closely at the genealogies, then… 'cause you’ll find a number of inconsistencies in them that’ll really put the kibosh to the literalistic approach!


#168

He had the preternatural gifts of bodily immortality and freedom from sickness.

If you are looking to find the word genetics in scripture it is not there.

Let us examine what a prototypical newly created human being would look like.

  1. God either created him near perfect with non mutated genetics

-or-

  1. God created him less than perfect with already mutated genetics.

Pick one.


#169

I would like to see that…


#170

Wow, I get to pick one.
Thanks for the offer.

So your claim of “pristine genetics” for the first two ensouled humans has no scientific basis then. Am I hearing you well?


#171

As in empirically testable, that is observable, testable and predictable? No. But I do not need to. My inference is as good as any evolutionary extrapolation of the past.

Since we know genetic entropy is real and humans are degenerating 1-5% every generation it makes sense that the newly created Adam would have no defects.

Add that to what Revelation says and voila confidence is really high.

So pick one.


#172

Ok, thanks. That;s all I need to know. The claim was a scientific claim using scientific language.

I’m very familiar with the Church’s teaching.


#173

Those are easily resolved. If you check Luke’s genealogy it resembles the one in Genesis found in the Septuagint.


#174

If we found any remnants of skeletal remains that could be shown through dna or some other mechanism to have lived 900 years I would drop all of my skepticism in an instant and absolutely believe everything else no matter how much I struggle.


#175

No, I’m thinking more of the portions of the genealogies that deal with figures closer to the time of the exile. If you want to dig in your heels on absolute literalism and historicity, you’ll have to start explaining those, as well… :wink:


#176

The thread deals with Genesis, so if you want to discuss this further, you can PM me or create a different thread.


#177

One big obvious one: Matthew’s genealogy traces Jesus’ family line back to Abraham – the father of the Jews. Luke’s goes much further, in fact, he goes all the way back to the Adam!


#178

Ahh, but you opened up the question, with your assertion that the genealogies prove the case for the literal existence of the folks contained therein! So, unless you want to back away from that claim, then all of them must be historically accurately represented, if you want to use any of them as proof. :wink:


#179

Just to be fair: you’re quoting me there, not @buffalo.


#180

I know, and I’m actually agreeing with you for a change! I tried fixing it, but I’m not sure it worked.


#181

There ya go – either one of these works! :+1:


#182

How is that an inconsistency? How?


#183

To answer the question: yes, he did.


#184

Here are some links:

jimmyakin.com/the-genealogies-of-christ-2


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