Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland, With the Mayor’s Blessing


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Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland, With the Mayor’s Blessing
A vicious mob targeted the ICE office and even a food cart. The police followed orders to do nothing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/anarchy-breaks-out-in-portland-with-the-mayors-blessing-1533331454

Along the trolley tracks behind the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement field office, a biohazard cleanup crew works under police protection. It finds used needles and buckets of human waste simmering in nearly 100-degree heat. The smell of urine and feces fills the block. For more than five weeks, as many as 200 people had occupied the site to demand ICE’s immediate abolition. They’re gone now, but a community is left reeling. Thirty-eight days of government-sanctioned anarchy will do that.

A mob surrounded ICE’s office in Southwest Portland June 19. They barricaded the exits and blocked the driveway. They sent “guards” to patrol the doors, trapping workers inside. At night they laid on the street, stopping traffic at a critical junction near a hospital. Police stayed away. “At this time I am denying your request for additional resources,” the Portland Police Bureau’s deputy chief, Robert Day, wrote to federal officers pleading for help. Hours later, the remaining ICE workers were finally evacuated by a small federal police team. The facility shut down for more than a week.

Signs called ICE employees “Nazis” and “white supremacists.” Others accused them of running a “concentration camp,” and demanded open borders and prosecution of ICE agents. Along a wall, vandals wrote the names of ICE staff, encouraging others to publish their private information online.

Federal workers were defenseless. An ICE officer, who asked that his name not be published, told me one of his colleagues was trailed in a car and confronted when he went to pick up his daughter from summer camp. Later people showed up at his house. Another had his name and photo plastered on flyers outside his home accusing him of being part of the “Gestapo.”

Where were the police? Ordered away by Democratic Mayor Ted Wheeler, who doubles as police commissioner. “I do not want the @PortlandPolice to be engaged or sucked into a conflict, particularly from a federal agency that I believe is on the wrong track,” he tweeted. “If [ICE is] looking for a bailout from this mayor, they are looking in the wrong place.”

The mob set up camp behind the building, where they harassed journalists and banned photography. The open-borders advocates also erected an 8-foot wall around their site. I walked through and saw young children, including infants, in squalid conditions and 90-degree heat. Every American flag was defaced. Anarchist and communist flags were unsoiled.


#2

First its California, then Washington, now Oregon. Somehow good order and discipline have become nonexistent.


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What a bunch of nuts. To think that a Mayor would endorse such a thing too. I say rescind all federal funding from Portland if such a direct link exists, if they encourage violence against federal agencies and employees.


#4

Do the “Abolish ICE” people now have “blood on their hands” or at least “destruction and intimidation”?

Police stayed away. “At this time I am denying your request for additional resources,” the Portland Police Bureau’s deputy chief, Robert Day, wrote to federal officers pleading for help. Hours later, the remaining ICE workers were finally evacuated by a small federal police team.

(Bold mine)

I doubt this decision to refuse to back-up our ICE law enforcement workers (probably including ICE officers) came so much from the police as it did from the politicians through the police.

It is hard for me to imagine police refusing back-up for fellow law-enforcement personnel. At least refusing on their own.

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Every American flag was defaced. Anarchist and communist flags were unsoiled.

Draw your own conclusions of who the real anti-Americans and at least in sympathy with Russian (Communist) idealogy here are.

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The open-borders advocates also erected an 8-foot wall around their site.

Their version of “The Wall”.

I walked through and saw young children, including infants, in squalid conditions and 90-degree heat.

Almost certainly, these are the same people who (at least ideologically) use Obama-era photographs to criticize the Trump administration for . . . . (you know what I am going to say) . . . their mal-treatment of children.


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There are a lot of fascists on the Left. Mussolini’s Blackshirts would be proud.


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These are the militant leftists I speak of here on these boards, and that @LeafByNiggle (I think) asked me how many there.

There are a lot.

Worse yet, they are tolerated by the mainstream leftists in the media and the democratic party.


#7

Disagree.

While the tactics of the extreme left and the extreme right can be similar, and they are both equally evil in the way they crush humamity’s freedom, socialism/communism is vastly different from fascism.


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Fascism and Mussolini were all about the complete control of the population through the secular state which in todays language is Left wing…

Fascism was (socialist) Gentile’s version of politics taken up by the (socialist) Mussolini and then later again by Hitler’s National Socialist Workers Party.


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I don’t think that’s the way most people think of the left, but we can certainly all have different views of these esoteric definitions.

I personally see it as a circle, with conservativism at the top (12 oclock), socialism/communism at 9 oclock, fascism at 3 oclock, and anarchy at 6 oclock.


#10

Almost all of us have been educated by Left wing education systems, many of us before the fall of the Berlin wall.


#11

How is protesting an agency that mostly aims to deport people fascist? Violence and coercion aren’t in themselves fascist, especially not when they’re aimed at an organisation like ICE by protestors. ICE is a border control organisation, one that is integral to the protection of the nation as a concept. Many of these protests are questioning borders themselves, or at least should be, and that is decidedly non-fascist.

Fascism and Mussolini were all about the complete control of the population through the secular state which in todays language is Left wing…

This is hardly true. Fascism is Italy was defined by Mussolini as being corporatist - the state aimed towards benefitting large corporations and violently repressed the workers’ movement. Hitler’s fascism was similar, though there was a greater tendency to integrate the working class into the nationalist state. Still, he violently repressed the working class, and his government protected the interests of large capitalists. Neither of these governments were particularly socialist, and they crushed all of the workers’ movement and socialist parties of their nations. Hitler’s state was outright ethno-nationalistic, which is hardly associated with left-right politics.

Again, though, nothing you’ve said suggests that protesting an agency geared towards deportation and the regulation of borders is fascist. These protests are often opposed to the notion of borders and nation, something that is an incredibly important part of fascism.


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It isn’t really anarchy. It is fascist Brownshirts working at the pleasure of the mayor. I mean if some mayor let the Klan hang out and harass people without sending in the police we know how everyone would view that.

The protesting isn’t fascist. The protestors are fascists.


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How so? They’re protesting deportations and border control, elements that are integral to fascist states. They evidently aren’t fascists, come on.

It’s worrying that the mayor has shown support, but it only shows the way in which liberal politicians attempt to hijack radical movements. These protests need to move beyond simply demanding an end to ICE - they need to demand an end to all border control and borders generally. Every Democrat politician or “Democratic Socialist”, as well as anyone else calling for ICE to be replaced with another institution, needs to be forcefully kicked from the movement and outright condemned.


#14

Only Italians can be, by definition, fascist.


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I didn’t say that. I don’t think that protesting border control can be fascist.


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Hello Regular Athiest, I have a different perspective.

  1. I think ICE are not the actual border control group. I think there is a different body who actually 'mans; the border and attempts to prevent illegals from crossing. ICE to my knowledge is more involved in the policing of illegals once they are inside the country so that crime rackets will be dismantled and illegals deported across the border.

  2. I have seen reports that the 'protestors not only have shut down government buildings and harassed government workers but followed them home and followed them when they are taking their kids to school. Given the emotionally charged hostile abuse these ‘protestors’ employ this is quite a worrying situation. If we look at the Mussolini Black shirts and Nazi Brown shirts before they took power this tactic of mob abuse and hate and intimidation was used in a similar fashion. They too believed they were the victim of an unjust state that they wished to challenge by mob incitement. I take your point that there are other aspects of Fascism beyond violence such as economics, anti-Christianity etc but the parallels that were drawn were regarding the tactics used to interfere with state activity that is opposed.


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cont.

  1. Fascism was defined by Mussolini as the state being the highest concept and authority of the people. This includes corporate structures. Mussolini once boasted that 65% of Italian industry was in the hands of the state. Like Hitler’s National socialism corporate entities survived only in so far as they were subservient to state ideology and goals. Of course both countries were fairly quickly involved in all out war which gave both states just about complete control of their corporate sector. I am aware that before the war (1937) Catholic printing presses who were involved in printing the Papal encyclicals criticising National socialism which were all forcibly taken over by the state (12 groups) so as to silence such criticism. In a similar way the Nazis wanted all children to compulsorily attend the weekly Hitler youth program which of course were scheduled to coincide with weekly mass so as to get kids out of church. Before the war started the Nazis had also closed down all private Catholic schools. As Mussolini’s political slogan says 'all within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state". Fascism is defined by an all powerful state.

  2. An all powerful state also means that only government workers groups are allowed. There are no independent unions from the state just as there are no independent Christian schools. If you look at the Bolsheviks in Russia they also cracked down on workers groups outside of state control. The socialists take advantage of such workers groups when they are attempting to come to power but when they actually come to power all such groups must be controlled by the (socialist) state so it is typical for socialist governments once they have power to shut down any rival workers organisations. May I suggest reading up on the Bolshevik purges of other socialist groups in what became the USSR.

Originally the Bolsheviks were the second most popular socialist group in the USSR as shown by elections. The Bolsheviks took power by the might of the Red army. In the Bolshevik control of Russia/USSR other socialist and workers groups were mercilessly harassed, imprisoned and sent to Siberia. According to the Gulag Archipelago the usual term was for 10 years and many did not come back and many were sentenced again if they did come back. Many of these people were bewildered because some of them had left politics altogether. They had been heavily on the socialist side and cause but were apparently the wrong socialist for the Bolsheviks and were a potential threat. The National socialists and fascists had a similar reaction to other competing forms of socialism.

Again, everything had to be through the power of the state. For the Nazis only one form of socialism was allowed, National Socialism. For the Bolsheviks it was their form of socialism. Both were ruthlessly protective of their politics.


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This is excellent and should be posted everywhere there is a discussion of ANTIFA or similar groups.

One of the reasons why the Soviet/Russian moon landing program faltered and failed is that some of the main scientists/leaders had been sent to Siberia earlier in their careers and contracted all sorts of illnesses. The main Moon rocket guy died at age 60.

Korolev.

Found this. Everybody giving orders.

http://www.astronautix.com/r/russiawhydisethemoonrace.html


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