Anglican Use Parish


#1

Before anyone starts, :rolleyes: I posted this in Non-Catholic Religions forum due to the offer of communion to non-Catholics

From a ‘Ship of Fools’ mystery worshipper article

The church: St Vincent Ferrer, New York, USA.
Denomination: Roman Catholic.

All baptized Christians were invited to communion under both species, although the printed handout couldn’t refrain from mentioning that "ordinarily the Catholic Church does not offer the eucharist to Christians with whom it is in disagreement."
ship-of-fools.com/Mystery/2004/878.html

Does anyone know if this is standard practice in Anglican Use Parishes?


#2

[quote=JGC]Before anyone starts, :rolleyes: I posted this in Non-Catholic Religions forum due to the offer of communion to non-Catholics

From a ‘Ship of Fools’ mystery worshipper article

The church: St Vincent Ferrer, New York, USA.
Denomination: Roman Catholic.

All baptized Christians were invited to communion under both species, although the printed handout couldn’t refrain from mentioning that "ordinarily the Catholic Church does not offer the eucharist to Christians with whom it is in disagreement."
ship-of-fools.com/Mystery/2004/878.html

Does anyone know if this is standard practice in Anglican Use Parishes?
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AFAIK, it isn’t but a good place to ask that question would be here:

atonementonline.com/Canterbury/viewforum.php?f=1

One of the very few Anglican Use parishes was formed in my home town by Anglo-Catholics who left ECUSA in the late 70s. Other Anglo-Catholics, and other orthodox Episcopalians from the same local ECUSA parish formed my own Continuing Anglican parish, at the same time. That RC Anglican Use parish is now Novus Ordo, but will host a brand new indult Latin Tridentine Mass monthly, starting next Sunday. I hope to attend. Music is to be by the organist from my own Anglo-Catholic parish.

GKC

Traditional Anglican, Anglo Catholic


#3

You might wish to visit this beautiful website of an Anglican Use parish in San Antonio that is truly Catholic. A complete transcript of the Anglican Use liturgy is provided.

atonementonline.com/index.php

The Domenican priests of St. Vincent Ferrer are disobeying the laws of the Catholic Church by offering Holy Communion to non-Catholics. This should be reported to the bishop. I’ll do it!

This website reminded me of a newpaper feature that used to run in our city, where a reporter attended a different church every week and reported on it. It was disgusting. The person reporting on SVF obviously had little understanding of the Catholic liturgy or the purpose of Mass. The evaluation seemed to hinge on whether the experience made them feel warm and fuzzy. It was obviously not written by a Catholic.

I get angry when priests violate the laws of the Church. :mad: The Mass is not the property of individual priests. They cannot lawfully give Communion to anyone not authorized by the Church.

For more on this, including Canon Law, see the thread “Why can’t I receive communion in the Catholic Church?”

JMJ Jay

JMJ Jay


#4

The phrase: “All baptized Christians were invited to communion under both species…” is common in bulletins in Episcopal parishes (and most/all Churches in the Anglican Communion; I’m not sure about the Continuing Churches). I know that the Anglican Use folks got a few dispensations, but I’d be very surprised if Rome let them keep that one- if they even wanted to.


#5

Dear GKC,

Are you saying the bishop converted the Anglican Use parish to a standard Latin rite parish?

If so, that is a great disappointment to me.


#6

[quote=Hesychios]Dear GKC,

Are you saying the bishop converted the Anglican Use parish to a standard Latin rite parish?

If so, that is a great disappointment to me.
[/quote]

To the best of my knowledge, that is correct, though I’m unsure just when it occurred at the RC Church of the Good Shepherd. As I understand how the Pastoral Provision operates, an Anglican Use parish priest is always a convert, usually one who establishes the parish, after reordination IAW the RC position on Anglican orders. If and when he dies or leaves the parish, there is no systematic method to provide a replacement, and the parish becomes a NO, in the normal course of events. There is no seminary to provide Anglican Use clergy. The Pastoral Provision was not intended to establish a Rite, but was a means of easing the transition of the Anglicans seeking asylum for ECUSA’s enormities.

I think that at the most there were only 10+ Anglican Use parishes so established, and about 6-7 still in existence, mainly in Texas. I regret that I didn’t attend an Anglican Use service, from the Book of Divine Worship, while I had the chance.

All of this is subject to correction, to be sure. But I am told that the parish is now NO.

GKC

traditional Anglican, Anglo-Catholic


#7

GKC- that’s my understanding, as well.


#8

Given the fact that Paul VI’s ordo was deliberately fashioned to resemble the Anglican rites and that rite II in the ECUSA’s BCP is practically identical to the English translation of the Novus Ordo in the US, how does a parish cease to be “Anglican Use” by employing the Novus Ordo? I thought that the principal difference between Anglican Use parishes and typical Novus Ordo parishes was that the Anglican Use Catholics still believed in censers and vestments and reredos and suchlike, and did not feel it necessary to replace the hymnals with camp-fire sing-along books. Given that no special training is necessary to conduct the liturgy with reverence and decorum, what would be the difference between “Anglican Use” clergy and any ordinary Roman rite priest with enough will-power and common-sense to resist the brainwashing for banality which one finds in most Novus Ordo seminaries?

:wink:


#9

[quote=GrzeszDeL]Given the fact that Paul VI’s ordo was deliberately fashioned to resemble the Anglican rites and that rite II in the ECUSA’s BCP is practically identical to the English translation of the Novus Ordo in the US, how does a parish cease to be “Anglican Use” by employing the Novus Ordo? I thought that the principal difference between Anglican Use parishes and typical Novus Ordo parishes was that the Anglican Use Catholics still believed in censers and vestments and reredos and suchlike, and did not feel it necessary to replace the hymnals with camp-fire sing-along books. Given that no special training is necessary to conduct the liturgy with reverence and decorum, what would be the difference between “Anglican Use” clergy and any ordinary Roman rite priest with enough will-power and common-sense to resist the brainwashing for banality which one finds in most Novus Ordo seminaries?

:wink:
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You would have to tell me. The principle difference between an Anglican Use parish, AFAIK, and any Roman rite parish, is the fact that the former possesses a priest who was once an Anglican, and is functioning under the Pastoral Provision. And that when that ceases to be the case, the parish ceases to be under the Pastoral Provision.

The Anglican Use Rite uses the liturgy found in the Book of Divine Worship. An online copy is, I believe, here.

atonementonline.com

A comparision can be made to the NO. But as to why a run of the mill Roman rite priest is not allowed to serve such a parish, you’ll have to address Rome. I have an idea why Rome might wish to limit the access to a liturgy with kneelers, genuflecting, communion rails, tabernacle centrally located and celebration ad orientem, inter alia, but it is not my place to say. But that certainly seems to be the case. Perhaps the folks at the link above can be more enlightening.

GKC


#10

I’ve always wanted to check out an Anglican Use parish. For that matter, I’d like to attend a well-done, High Rite I service, with music and the other accutrements. Unfortunately, Rite I usually gets short shrift, not unlike the late Saturday afternoon Masses that were common with the college kids when I was a Roman.


#11

For the record – this thread is entitled “Anglican Use Pairsh” but St. Vincent Ferrer is not an Anglican Use Parish. They have allowed the Anglican Use Society to celebrate liturgies there. The invitation to non-Catholics to receive communion surprised me. I had not encountered that before in Anglican Use worship.


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