Anheuser-Busch Agrees to InBev Sale

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Why don’t we just auction off the country to the highest bidder, and be done with it? Why prolong the agony?

R.I.P. America; 1776-2008.

Dude, it’s just cheap, bad beer :hypno:

Not really. AB treats it’s employees really well and contribute a lot charitably to St. Louis. AB runs a cool little place called Grant’s Farm that is free. That will be going away too probably.
It’s a blow to St. Louis becaus InBev has said they don’t believe in doing charitable contributions like AB.

It’s done. We’ll survive but losing that cheap beer is like losing a part of our heritage here in St. Louis. I’m not even a big beer drinker but it does hurt.

Not an issue for me. Do not drink beer and Jr. is no longer driving the Bud car.

One note. This may scuttle the deal with regulators:

That prompted much squabbling between the companies over the past few weeks. InBev filed a motion seeking the removal of all 13 Anheuser-Busch board members; Anheuser-Busch filed suit calling the InBev effort an “illegal scheme” that threatened to defraud Anheuser-Busch shareholders. Among other things, the suit noted that InBev failed to disclose it operates a brewery in Cuba.

It is true if InBev decided not to contribute to re-election fund of some Senators and Congressmen.

That I hadn’t heard (I have heard that they’re making STL the US headquarters and keeping jobs there), and if so it’ll be sad, but it’s hardly the wake for America Wolsely seems to think it is.

And if it is somehow the wake for American culture, at least we’ll have some decent brew to send it off with! If Bud Light counts as a Great American Accomplishment, I won’t even have to do the usual on-the-grave thing, I can just pour out a 40 of the stuff and save my digestive tract!

It’s an issue for all of us, beer drinker or not.

We are losing all of our American icons. GM could be done within 5 years, Ford and Chrysler even less. All of our appliance and our electronic manufacturing is already done in Mexico or China, and there is no chance of seeing it return. GE is dying a slow death. The Chrysler building is sold to Dubai, as are many other of Manhattan landmarks. Our seaports are foreign owned. Wal-Mart won’t sell American made products. Our largest banks just went overseas for bailouts. I could go on but you get the idea. A weak dollar and rich overseas countries - made rich by us - are buying us lock, stock, and barrel.

Great American companies like Anheiser Busch will not come along again. Neither will the economic climate that made them possible. I am very sad at this latest news…

You hit the nail squarely on the head, jimcav, and you understood exactly what I was trying to say.

Eventually, thanks to globalization and “free trade”, we will export ourselves right out of existance.

We’ll export ourselves out of superpowerdom, and it’s high time too. The world’s been America’s oyster for decades. You think that that hasn’t been at the expense of other nations, some of whom went through the same kind of rise we had and the same fall we’re looking at (say, Spain, Britain, even Belgium, believe it or don’t), even more of whom have never gotten the chance to get up on the backs of others?

What’s so special about America that we should get some kind of VIP consideration? We’re the ‘leader of the free world’? Bollocks! We lost that title when the next guys to throw the autocrats out came along – bit over a decade after 1776.

That’s the whole point of there being a ‘free world’: no one power gets absolute control, sometimes it does things individual states don’t necessarily like, and America doesn’t get to be any better than the rest of it. The age of superpowers is over (it was a bad idea to begin with, if one truly thinks that freedom is a good thing), and we’re clinging on to our imaginary status because we don’t know any better. This realization that we’re the Queens of Denial has been a long time coming, and yes, it’s going to hurt, but our attitude as a nation needs this kind of wake-up call.

Worst popular beer ever.

I cannot believe that people choose to drink that swill?

Proof that Bud sells a brand and not beer!

So, we disappear from superpower status, who replaces us? Communist China?

That’ll be good for the world. I’m sure the world will get better treatment from the Chinese than they ever got from us. Occupy a country after a war, and try to set them up with a democratic government with a consitution, leading to independance and freedom after a period of years? Nah. The Americans did that. The Chinese will just hang on to it forever, bleeding it dry of raw materials and imposing good old Commie supression on the inhabitants. Somebody have an earthquake, a typhoon, a famine, or a flood, and ask for medical help, foreign aid, food, clothing, etc.? Well, the Americans used to do that, but the Chinese figure you’ll just have to deal with it. Try to improve your trading partners by sending them industrial help, advisors, equipment? Well, the Americans did that, but the Chinese havo no desire to produce rivals to their supremacy, so no dice. Try to spread human rights and equality around the globe? Ridiculous American concept. Chinese Communism is the dominant system now. Challenge that, and you’ll get run over by several tanks.

Yeah. I’m sure the world will fare much better when the Chinese Communists are the dominant superpower instead of the Americans.

What’s so special about America that we should get some kind of VIP consideration?

Nobody says we should get “VIP consideration”. For most people (or at least those who aren’t revisionist liberal Americans who have swallowed the whole “America is worse than Nazi Germany and all other cultures and systems of government are just as good as our, if not better” balderdash from their former 1960’s dopehead hippie professors in secular universities) it’s enough that America was there to liberate them from Hitler, Tojo, and Kim IL Sung, and to keep Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung at bay until they collapsed.

I doubt you’ll get such a great deal from the Communist Chinese.

We’re the ‘leader of the free world’? Bollocks! We lost that title when the next guys to throw the autocrats out came along – bit over a decade after 1776.

Actually, the “free world” moniker is a remnant of the Cold War, when there was a “free world/First World” led by the United States and her satellites, a “Second World” under Communist domination by the Soviet Union and her satellites, and a “Third World” consisting of undeveloped countries allied to neither side.

That’s the whole point of there being a ‘free world’: no one power gets absolute control, sometimes it does things individual states don’t necessarily like, and America doesn’t get to be any better than the rest of it.

Like the United Nations—everybody gets an equal vote, whether they consist of free and democratic countries or repressive tyrannical regimes bent on enslaving everybody else on the planet? Yeah, we all saw how well that worked out. If it hadn’t been for us keeping the Reds contained at gunpoint for 40 years, we’d all be living in the darkest of new dark ages right now.

The age of superpowers is over (it was a bad idea to begin with, if one truly thinks that freedom is a good thing)

A status that we had thrust upon us, at the end of World War II; unlike us trying to go out and acquire it—say, like the British Empire did.

This realization that we’re the Queens of Denial has been a long time coming, and yes, it’s going to hurt, but our attitude as a nation needs this kind of wake-up call.

I’m sure we’ll all feel better with our adjusted attitudes when we’re living in nasty little two-room apartments with leaky roofs and bad plumbing and gutting fish in a communal factory for six cents a day while the local Party Commissar stands behind us with a loaded pistol on his hip, making sure we don’t open our mouths about anything remotely critical of the Greater Chinese-American Co-Prosperity Five Year Plan.

Long live the guiding principals of Marxist-Leninism! Who needs individual liberty, anyway? It’s about time we got our wake-up call, after all!

Unbelievable. :mad:

Much as they’re jockeying for that position, I doubt it. I said the age of superpowers is over, not that it’s just the US hanging up its cape. China will be an important player, without doubt, but it’s not going to be a ‘camp leader’ like the US or the USSR have been, and it’s not going to get away with imperialism. Taiwan still exists, after all.

Besides the Chinese, the Indians are also positioning themselves extremely well to get along in a global economy, doing for science, information, and services what China and Japan did for manufacturing and tech respectively. Vietnam is joining the manufacturing sector. It’s not like China is standing alone at the forefront; many OPEC nations are doing just fine (look at Dubai!), Central and South American countries are getting up to speed, parts of Europe are shaping up, and of course Switzerland still has all the money and cuckoo clocks it needs. No one country is going to take over the mantle of ‘lord of the world’.

Yeah. I’m sure the world will fare much better when the Chinese Communists are the dominant superpower instead of the Americans.

Calling the present Chinese system ‘communist’ is laughable. They have Wal-Marts and McDonald’s these days. They’re out-capitalisming us.

Actually, the “free world” moniker is a remnant of the Cold War, when there was a “free world/First World” led by the United States and her satellites, a “Second World” under Communist domination by the Soviet Union and her satellites, and a “Third World” consisting of undeveloped countries allied to neither side.

First/Second/Third World is older than that. It dates back to the age of colonialism.

However, the ‘America must always be #1!’ attitude is most definitely a direct descendant of that outmoded Cold War mindset. Why must we remain the lone superpower, shoving away all others who might want to take our crown, or, Bob forbid, stand on a more even footing?

Like the United Nations—everybody gets an equal vote, whether they consist of free and democratic countries or repressive tyrannical regimes bent on enslaving everybody else on the planet? Yeah, we all saw how well that worked out. If it hadn’t been for us keeping the Reds contained at gunpoint for 40 years, we’d all be living in the darkest of new dark ages right now.

Last I checked, the UN doesn’t exactly work that way, and I think you’re forgetting every other member of NATO.

A status that we had thrust upon us, at the end of World War II; unlike us trying to go out and acquire it—say, like the British Empire did.

If it was thrust upon us, why exactly did we decide to keep it so long, and why are certain elements of our society (such as you yourself) clinging on to it so tightly now that its time is past?

When they’re not running over people with tanks, of course.

Why must we remain the lone superpower, shoving away all others who might want to take our crown, or, Bob forbid, stand on a more even footing?

So we don’t end up living under Sha’ira law or pulling Chinese Party-approved industrialists around in rickshas.

If it was thrust upon us, why exactly did we decide to keep it so long

You do remember the Soviet Union, do you not?

and why are certain elements of our society (such as you yourself) clinging on to it so tightly now that its time is past?

So we don’t end up living under Sha’ira law or pulling Chinese Party-approved industrialists around in rickshas.

They’re hardly the only ones. We’d do it in a heartbeat if we thought we could make a buck. Done it before (remember the Philippines?), doing it now.

So we don’t end up living under Sha’ira law or pulling Chinese Party-approved industrialists around in rickshas.

Ah, making a very grey issue stark black and white – nice going. We need not be the servant of all (although a certain Galilean once said that’s nice) to be one nation among, instead of ‘above’, many.

You do remember the Soviet Union, do you not?

Given my age, not too well :stuck_out_tongue: Remember the Monroe Doctrine? That was our policy for a long, long time when dealing with unfriendly authoritarian-expansionist powers.

So we don’t end up living under Sha’ira law or pulling Chinese Party-approved industrialists around in rickshas.

Going to respond to the other large chunks of my post where I specifically addressed your buildup to that ridiculous claim, or are you just going to spout off about how America deserves to get its way in all things just like everybody else doesn’t?

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This says more than you can possibly imagine. In fact, it really more or less says it all.

Well, at least it is not a corporation that holds needed national secrets like missile technology or the “seven herbs and spices” recipe. Seriously, icons are not sacrosanct; they do fall. If you are not aware of the conditions, and do not change to meet those new constraints and opportunities, chances are you will fall. Top stay at the top reform always needs to happen. This doesn’t mean just the government business, chances are what is more important is what people in households expect and do.

There are lots of problems with globalization, but there is also a lot of problems with isolation. Right now the dollar is weak, we’ve been to loose and wasteful with out money. The thing to do is to make sure that when you get money to make sure that you spend it more efficiently. If you abuse cheap money, next time around it’s going to be more expensive. Maybe instead of dollars, corporations look like a better buy.

I think that’s already happening, indirectly.
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So I’m in my 20s and grew up while it was falling down. What’s that got to do with the price of tea in China?

And you’ve still got 1 1/2 posts to answer if you want to keep an actual discussion going. Cat got your tongue?

I used to live in St. Louis and understand the heartache this is causing. But what is the alternative? Nationalizing the brewery? Wouldn’t that be (gasp) socialism?

When I moved to St. Louis, McDonnel Douglas still existed and had its headquarters there, and so did one of the Bell spinoffs. They have lost a lot of corporate headquarters over the decades – but this one will hurt the most.

No; working for a living does. I have to get up at 0400 in order to be to work by 0600, then work a 12-hour shift, then get home by 1900—and if I want to get 8 hours of asleep, I need to eat and go immediately to bed by 2000.

I’m sure if you reflect on it, you can understand why I don’t get around to answering your questions immediately.

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