[quote=Shinobu]I am very sorry, but could anyone please help me on how to answer this. This question just made me feel mad, so I think I need to take a breather.
First of all, the practice of Celibacy comes from St. Paul’s recommendations in 1 Corinthians 7, written long before celibacy was instituted and supposedly influenced by pagans. Secondly, celibacy is not universal in the Catholic Church.
Thirdly, and most importantly, this individual has ZERO credibility, for very good reasons. Here’s why. It is very easy to go leveling a bunch of accusations like that, especially without providing proof. You could respond to it with a bunch of facts just thrown together into a paragraph, and of course he would not accept it any more than you should his. The statement provides no SOURCES first of all, he may as well have simply made that up! He likely didn’t, but what he did likely do is take a bunch of disconnected facts and throw them together into one coherent statement. Just because he puts them together in one paragraph it doesn’t mean the statements are really connected. This leads to the next point, which is that he has a HUGE gap in his reasoning. The “best” anti-Christian folks won’t even touch this type of arguement, because it commits not only logical fallacies, but also is simply a terrible way to make an arguement because it doesn’t prove anything.
Let me explain. Take this statement: Fish are wet. Now take this statement: I am wet. Now put them together, and what do you get? “I am wet. Fish are wet. I am a fish.” :eek: See the problem? That’s, although a little bit more complex, the same thing he did in his arguement. He took two facts, A) Pagans practiced celibacy, and B) Catholics practice celibacy, and connects them and draws conclusions without showing the required DIRECT AND EXPLICIT connection between the two. Try another example. It’s true that both America and Iran practice voting, so one could conclude that they both are based on the same ideas. Obviously they’re not! There is a missing connection, as missing step to get from X to Y, which is never shown. The arguement about celibacy doesn’t show it either. Just because two systems have similar traits it doesn’t mean they are connected; that has to be shown.
Another problem here is one of chronology. A VERY common practice amongst anti-Christians (or the bad ones anyways, as I pointed out above) is to take a pagan belief of some sort, and profess that Christianity must have stolen its ideas from it. However, often times, Christianity, or moreso JUDAISM, came before the pagan belief! For example: the USA is a democracy, and so is the UK. The UK is older than the USA, so the USA copied democracy from the UK. WRONG! See the problem? Pagan cultures often existed before Christianity, so its argued that all of their beliefs came before Christianity and that Christianity copied them. Very, very often, a little honest research shows that these specific beliefs of the pagan cultures rose up AFTER the Christian ones did. I would venture to say that happened in this case, because before the time of Christ, it was not chaste gods, but FERTILITY gods that were very popular with pagans. People would go to temples to have sex to honor these gods! This was especially popular in Corinth.
For these reasons, the anti-Christians rarely list actual sources in their arguements. They just state their claims as if they are self-authenticating. They’re not. They also try to put Christians on the defensive, making them feel as if they have to defend their beliefs, and not that the anti-Christians have to defend theirs. Be offensive. Don’t let yourself be made defensive! Go into these things with the attitude that THEY have to prove their point, NOT you.
Those websites will provide more REAL facts and information than you will ever need to refute this kind of garbage.
And try especially this: tektonics.org/af/abemyth.html to show what you can prove using your opponents reasoning!