Another study says warming may be worse than experts think




I am sure you can find a study that will say whatever you want it to say.


It’s below freezing here in Iowa right now. I am looking forward to some warming.


we have had a chilly winter in northern arizona too. warmer temperatures would be nice.


The Nixon administration was very concerned about global warming, and that was back in the 1970s. His science advisers warned that the world had only about 50 years before the ca-ca hits the fan. Well, here we are. Apathy then, and apathy now.


Nah at all. Take note that the major alarm during the 70s was the reverse opposite - global cooling. Note that the thing was held on by the major peer-review journals and scientific organizations, and was even reported in Time, Newsweek, etc. -

40 years ago, the scientific establishment and the media were keen on warning everyone the world was going to cool back then. Then, the world’s going to warm now. Who knows, will it melt next or turn into water vapor?


Whichever way you want to look at the data in this area of concern the growing certainty is that we are all going to die.


As a technically trained person, I would like to say something about global warming.

The icecaps around the world are absorbing heat by “changing state” – turning ice into liquid water. If and when the ice disappears, this buffering effect will end, and the incoming heat will accelerate the warming of the Earth. The effect of heat will come at us faster than before. Enjoy it while it lasts.


Hence why our Holy Father cautioned in Laudato Si that our generation owes an ‘ecological debt’ to future generations due to the wasteful, consumerist lifestyles we are living at the moment…

The notion of the common good also extends to future generations…We can no longer speak of sustainable development apart from intergenerational solidarity. Par. 159

The pace of consumption, waste and environmental change has so stretched the planet’s capacity that our contemporary lifestyle, unsustainable as it is, can only precipitate catastrophes, such as those which even now periodically occur in different areas of the world. The effects of the present imbalance can only be reduced by our decisive action, here and now. Par. 161

Once more, we need to reject a magical conception of the market, which would suggest that problems can be solved simply by an increase in the profits of companies or individuals. Is it realistic to hope that those who are obsessed with maximizing profits will stop to reflect on the environmental damage which they will leave behind for future generations? Par. 190

Methinks despite what the naysayers claim, this encyclical will appear prophetic about 50 years from now. If people can check out ancient forum posts from the “good ole” 2010s decade in the future, can you imagine how they might feel reading the reaction from some quarters on CAF to the encyclical…?




Pope Francis’ words do make me pause. I am living through the consequences of the warnings not be needed regarding Pope Paul VI warnings regarding Humane Vitae.

With that said, why does God have his messenger (the Pope) make these dire warnings when the ‘genie has already left the bottle’? I mean, the secular world has been warning us about global warming for decades. Did the Church warn us about this prior to Pope Francis in as strong of language?


Benedict XVI warned about environmental degradation to, as did many of his predecessors. Consider Pope Blessed Paul VI:

Paul VI 1971 apostolic letter, Octogesima Adveniens:

[INDENT]"…Man is suddenly becoming aware that by an ill-considered exploitation of nature he risks destroying it and becoming in his turn the victim of this degradation. Not only is the material environment becoming a permanent menace - pollution and refuse, new illness and absolute destructive capacity - but the human framework is no longer under man’s control, thus creating an environment for tomorrow which may well be intolerable. This is a wide-ranging social problem which concerns the entire human family…”

Francis has become so strident regarding the issue of “climate change” in particular because the situation has finally reached a “tipping point”. We are one of the last generations that can prevent the disaster from occurring.

Benedict XVI on climate change back in 2010:

Pope Benedict XVI denounced the failure of world leaders to agree to a new climate change treaty in Copenhagen last month, saying that world peace depends on safeguarding God’s creation.

He issued the admonition in a speech to ambassadors accredited to the Vatican, an annual appointment during which the pontiff reflects on issues the Vatican wants to highlight to the diplomatic corps.

Benedict has been called the “green pope” for his increasingly vocal concern about the need to protect the environment. Under his watch, the Vatican has installed solar photovoltaic cells on its main auditorium to convert sunlight into electricity and has joined a reforestation project aimed at offsetting its CO2 emissions.


These popular press retellings of scientific studies are usually short of details. Here is an article published by Yale, the actual source of the study. It is a lot more narrow a finding than the OP suggests.


Climate change warnings are a bit like street drugs. The more they’re consumed and generated, the greater is the appetite for accelerated production and consumption.


Except the ice caps are getting bigger…



Govt funding is looking for global warming to justify more government and more tax dollars. And sure enough, the govt-funded studies come back with exactly the results the govt-funders wanted.

I am Jack’s total lack of surprise. :rolleyes:



Very telling pictures, but I still have to wonder how much of this is us and how much of it is the result of us still exiting the last ice age?


Mccarthy Glacier 2016:

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