[quote="holyrood, post:1, topic:312896"]
I was talking to someone last night who believes in God and in Jesus, but believes Jesus was fully human--not fully divine. His reasoning (hopefully I'm relaying it accurately) is that if Jesus was fully divine, He had foreknowledge that he'd rise from the dead and be sitting one day at God's right hand, and if you know it's all going to come out right in the end, it's not that great a sacrifice.
I don't agree with some of the reasoning here, but I'm curious what the Church's response to this is.
I don't think the person you were speaking with has much knowledge of Scripture. If he believes in God and Jesus , and Jesus said - as Della pointed out . . .
[quote="Della, post:6, topic:312896"]
But Jesus did know and prophesied it:
. . . Luke.9
 saying, "The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised."
. . .
Even from a purely human perspective: How could one objectively say "it's not that great a sacrifice" while the actual victim - the one who undergoes the suffering says subjectively "I must suffer many things" ? There's a contradiction between not that great a sacrifice * from a bystander and *much suffering on behalf of the one who lives it and feels it and breathes it.
If you were to ask this person why Jesus cried out from the Cross
"My God my God, why have you forsaken me ?"
, I doubt he'd be able to give a satisfactory answer. This doesn't come from a person not being Catholic. It's a big mistake to presume to know what any other person suffers subjectively, it's a considerably larger one to presume the same thing about our Blessed Lord.
Much of our non-Catholic Christian brethren already admit that none of us could know what Jesus suffered. Here's a quote from Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry:
One thing is for sure. We have no capacity to appreciate the utterly horrific experience of having the sins of the world put upon the Lord Jesus as He hung, in excruciating pain, from that cross. The physical pain was immense. The spiritual one must have been even greater.
That shows us clearly how much God loves us .
The whole article can be read here
I would suggest that this person the OP is referring to doesn't believe in Jesus as they claim. If Jesus were merely human, he couldn't rise from the dead. He said he had the power to do it.
This is why the Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it up again.
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have power to lay it down, and power to take it up again. This command I have received from my Father."
A person can't claim to believe in someone and at the same time out of the other side of their mouth state that they don't believe the words spoken by the person claim they believe in. In this case, the person doesn't really believe anything.:shrug:
People who want to argue and debate about Jesus without even knowing what the scriptures actually say - it's like going to a gunfight at OK Corral without any ammunition.:doh2:
. . . with the exception that, somehow. . . :hmmm:. . . they can still manage to do this