So what you ask of me since you clearly are here for a malicious purpose. ( I would have been banned from Mormon forums trying to promote the Catholic faith in theirs) , is that I should believe Christ is a liar, that’s what he is if he tells the Disciples at the great commission “I will be with you always until the end of the age”.
Also what makes Joseph Smith so special? I could just as easily bring up the tilma which is a miracle in itself, the apparitions of Mary and Christ to children. Yes children, many children who were Smith’s age as well. Our Lady of Fatima or Lourdes or Knock or Zeitoun or Guadalupe or the countless other ones never said a word about joining another Church or anything about Joseph Smith or an apostasy. Many older have had experiences as well. Here’s the difference. We are not required to believe in it even if it is approved because private revelation can never add or subtract what the Apostles already taught by word and writing.
I don’t know what your intentions are here but it seems to me it can’t be good. Otherwise you’d be on a Mormon site talking to like minded people. Clearly from this post you see ex Mormons talking about how many issues are at hand. I only studied Mormonism because I was interested in NRMs and the whole Mormon root is exactly like the founding of so many NRMs in the 19th century. Apocalyptic end of days, charismatic leader claiming to have visions, a restoration to primitive Christianity. It is a text book phenomenon of the religious attitudes in 19th century America. Most died off. I assume Mormonism survived in part because they were persecuted against and gave them more resolve even after most of the original members left and theres another apostasy. Joseph Smith, just like Ellen G. White were false prophets. Wolves in sheep clothing. And that is the gist of it. I own the Old Testament Pseudiographia books by Wentworth. 4 Esdras is in it but it is also in the appendix of the Latin Vulgate with 3 Esdras and the Prayer of Manessah. All of them are in the 1611 KJV with the other deuterocanonical books except they are numbered 1 and 2 Esdras as Ezra and Nehemiah are 1 and 2 in the Vulgate. Joseph Smith more than likely knew of 2 Esdras. The book of Abraham is the end game for me where it goes from heresy to comical. That and his racism and polygamy. The man was a horrifying person if you actually read the history on him.
I am not replying to this anymore. I don’t know what you are doing on these forums but it seems you are trying to make people question the true Church. Sure people in America said Catholics weren’t Christian but that’s just good old American ignorance. As if Protestants made Christianity up. The only Church that can claim to go back to Christ are the Catholic and Orthodox. All others were created by men, scrupulous men. There was no reformation. What did those guys do in the 16th century what did they reform? Nothing. They made it go from one Church to thousands.