[quote=Steven Merten]Hello Gracelife,
I am curious. Did the anti-Catholic have a list of supposed detailed actions and dates for what his Protestant Church did from year 0 to Luther? Or does he claim that his religion splintered off from what he sees as a millenium and half evil?
Interesting thought Steven.
No list about this persons church. All I have so far is not JW, but non-trinitarian and very Bible only.
I’d rather not attack back, but I will stand up for what the RCC teaches.
I did ask this person: Where did we get God’s “complete word” ? How do you know it is complete? Says who? How do you know the books in your Bible are the ones that God wanted in the Bible?
Here’s what I have so far from ya’ll’s assistance and from John Silva at scripturecatholic.com:
Prayers for the dead . 300 A.D.
*Macc. 12:43-45 - the prayers for the dead help free them from sin and help them to the reward of heaven. Those in heaven have no sin, and those in hell can no longer be freed from sin. They are in purgatory. Luther was particularly troubled with these verses because he rejected the age-old teaching of purgatory. As a result, he removed Maccabees from the canon of the Bible.
*Making the sign of the cross 300 A.D. A reminder of our baptism, based on the Great Commission. Matt 28:19 … baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Veneration of angels & dead saints .*375 A.D. Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 - Jesus converses with “deceased” Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth. **There is a difference between veneration and worship.
Use of images in worship . *375 A.D. Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God.
*Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural. *
*I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon’s temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship. *
The Mass as a daily celebration 394 A.D.
*Why not worship everyday? Is there a problem with that?
What a blessing it is that people are able to assemble together during the week!
Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, “Mother of God” applied a Council of Ephesus- 431 A.D. *Mary is Jesus’ mother. Jesus is God. (unless you do not believe in the Trinity)
Extreme Unction (Last Rites)…526 A.D.
*Mark 6:13 and
*James 5:14 - the presbyters (priests) are called to anoint the sick with oil and pray over them. Their sins are forgiven. This is the sacrament of the sick, also called extreme unction. *
*James 5:15 - during the sacrament of the sick, the priest’s prayer of faith will “save” the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up. The word “save” comes from the Greek word “sozein” which means an eschatological saving of life from death. *
Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1….593 A.D…
*Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.”
*Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This shows that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory. *
Prayers to Mary & dead saints …….600 A.D.
*Again they are alive: Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 - Jesus converses with “deceased” Moses and Elijah.
We are the body of Christ whether living on earth or in heaven. We ask our friends to pray for us here on earth.
*Catholics do the same and may ask someone in heaven to pray for them as well. Catholics pray to God directly and may pray to God through a Saint. “The prayers of a righteous man availeth much”. James 5:16 *