AP Essay: Gov't flunks test of trust in Gulf

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Nobody led.

Not the president of the United States. Not the chief executive of BP. Not Congress, federal agencies or local elected officials. From its fiery beginning, the Gulf oil spill has stood as a concentrated reminder of why, over four decades, Americans have lost faith in nearly every national institution.

Like Hurricane Katrina, a natural disaster that caused voters to question then-President George W. Bush's credibility, the poisonous geyser at the Gulf's floor threatens to undermine Barack Obama's presidency. More alarmingly, the spill exacerbates the worry that this nation founded on the principle of trust now faces a crisis of faith in its public and private institutions - government and big business particularly.

Exactly what should "the government" have done differently to handle this disaster? Who in the government is the one who should have "done something", and what should he have done?

No, this is BP's mess, THEY are the ones who should have had a viable disaster plan having a high degree of reliabililty of success, and a viable, reliable backup to the disaster plan. Instead we have a company who has no working disaster plan and is accepting ideas from the public. Sheesh.

Before this disaster happened, this company was letting things slide. Why??? Where were the controls, the oversight, the enforcement of policy and procedure, that if properly implemented would have prevented this catastrophe? Where was the integrity??? :mad::mad::mad:

[quote="jpjd, post:2, topic:201087"]
Exactly what should "the government" have done differently to handle this disaster? Who in the government is the one who should have "done something", and what should he have done?

No, this is BP's mess, THEY are the ones who should have had a viable disaster plan having a high degree of reliabililty of success, and a viable, reliable backup to the disaster plan. Instead we have a company who has no working disaster plan and is accepting ideas from the public. Sheesh.

Before this disaster happened, this company was letting things slide. Why??? Where were the controls, the oversight, the enforcement of policy and procedure, that if properly implemented would have prevented this catastrophe? Where was the integrity??? :mad::mad::mad:

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You are apparently angry. Whom are you angry with?

Anyway, maybe you should ask the question of President Obama:

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down," Barack Obama declared a few days ago.

In the same news conference, Obama also acknowledged his administration could have done better in dealing with the biggest oil spill in the nation's history and misjudged the industry's ability to cope with a worst-case scenario.

I guess he disagrees with your assessment regarding what he, and the government, should of and could have done....

Yes, I am angry, and I am angry with the CEO of BP. He is ultimately responsible for the company, not President Obama. The CEO of any company is where the buck stops. That's why they get paid obscene an amount of money. They have a huge responsibility -- to their investors, to their employees, to their corporate partners, to their suppliers, to their customers, to the communities they operate in, and last but not least, to the environment.

We are conditioned to looking to the government to be our daddy, giving a handout to take care of every wrong in our lives. However, in reality, Obama is no more responsible for BP than he is for Proctor & Gamble, or McDonalds, or UPS, or any other business. That would be socialism.

It's politically expedient for Obama to say what you quoted. In reality, the government absolutely does not have the expertise of BP to handle this crisis. There is nothing the government can do but breathe down their necks. But you know what, that is too little, too late. The government dropped the ball way back before the catastrophe, when it would have made a difference had they been doing their job, when their regulators were getting in bed with BP.

The CEO and all the higher ups in the organization have a lot to answer for. I will be waiting to see if any of them are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Let's see if Obama takes responsibility for the lack of integrity of his regulators.

While I don't think Obama is responsible for fixing the rig, I think that he is responsible for the protection of the coastline. All indications are that Obama was informed at the time of the explosion that this was not going to be an easy fix and that it was going to take months to bring it back under control. He would have known then that the coast was in immediate danger and that action to protect the coast was required ASAP.

Instead, he has meeting after meeting and they all end up patting themselves on the back, telling themselves what a good job they are doing, but all that happens is the meetings.

The only thing it has done is delay approval for any measures, like berms, to keep the spill out of sensitive areas. He has failed abysmally in the only area directly under his control.

And yet, he said this early on.

Obama says U.S. government in charge, not BP
Friday 28th May, 06:19 AM JST

“Make no mistake, BP is operating at our direction,” he said.
japantoday.com/category/world/view/obama-says-us-government-in-charge-not-bp

So, is the US Government telling BP what to do? If it is, then Obama bears the responsibility for all of it; the fix of the blown out rig and the damage to the coast, not the CEO of BP.

''The buck stops with me', but it was GWB's fault that it happened, it is BP's fault that it is still gushing oil into the gulf, it is someone else's fault that the protection of the coast is delayed.' So, does it stop with Obama, or is he going to keep playing 'pass the buck'?

Perhaps Obama should have done more to take pre-emptive measures to protect the shoreline. However my main disgust and anger is with the people who failed to take the ultimate pre-emptive measure, and that is to ensure that effective controls, oversight, policies, and procedures were in place, and followed, so that something like this could never have happened to begin with. As our wise forefather Benjamin Franklin said, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Instead we have the usual corruption, selfishness, greed and whatnot of people who don't do their jobs. Where is the integrity ??????? Yes, this is the fault of BP CEO and excutives. Hold them acountable !!!!!!!!!!

"A series of internal investigations over the past decade warned senior BP managers that the oil company repeatedly disregarded safety and environmental rules and risked a serious accident if it did not change its ways.
The confidential inquiries, which have not previously been made public, focused on a rash of problems at BP's Alaska oil-drilling operations. They described instances in which management flouted safety by neglecting aging equipment, pressured employees not to report problems, and cut short or delayed inspections to reduce production costs.
Similar themes about BP operations elsewhere were sounded in interviews with former employees, in lawsuits and little-noticed state inquiries, and in e-mails obtained by ProPublica. Taken together, these documents portray a company that systemically ignored its own safety policies across its North American operations from Alaska to the Gulf of Mexico to California and Texas. Executives were not held accountable for the failures, and some were promoted despite them.

dispatch.com/live/content/national_world/stories/2010/06/09/what-did-bp-know.html?sid=101

[quote="jpjd, post:6, topic:201087"]
Perhaps Obama should have done more to take pre-emptive measures to protect the shoreline. However my main disgust and anger is with the people who failed to take the ultimate pre-emptive measure, and that is to ensure that effective controls, oversight, policies, and procedures were in place, and followed, so that something like this could never have happened to begin with. As our wise forefather Benjamin Franklin said, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Instead we have the usual corruption, selfishness, greed and whatnot of people who don't do their jobs. Where is the integrity ??????? Yes, this is the fault of BP CEO and excutives. Hold them acountable !!!!!!!!!!

"A series of internal investigations over the past decade warned senior BP managers that the oil company repeatedly disregarded safety and environmental rules and risked a serious accident if it did not change its ways.
The confidential inquiries, which have not previously been made public, focused on a rash of problems at BP's Alaska oil-drilling operations. They described instances in which management flouted safety by neglecting aging equipment, pressured employees not to report problems, and cut short or delayed inspections to reduce production costs.
Similar themes about BP operations elsewhere were sounded in interviews with former employees, in lawsuits and little-noticed state inquiries, and in e-mails obtained by ProPublica. Taken together, these documents portray a company that systemically ignored its own safety policies across its North American operations from Alaska to the Gulf of Mexico to California and Texas. Executives were not held accountable for the failures, and some were promoted despite them.

dispatch.com/live/content/national_world/stories/2010/06/09/what-did-bp-know.html?sid=101

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Who isn't holding BP accountable?

What could the President have done to get the situation in hand more quickly?

Called the BP guy and the governor of Louisiana on a conference call each morning to ask what they need.

Jindal needs approval for the berms? Done. Presidential verbal approval over the phone followed by an executive order in writing by fax within the hour. Need more dredges? Get the Army Corps of Engineers to call around; divert dredges from other projects. Have Jindal appoint a project manager to coordinate all the work. If they need aerial photos, get a project manager appointed for that, as well. Today.

BP guy said someone suggested getting supertankers with sucker pumps and priority for on-shore storage and separation? President asks what do you need in terms of approvals? And directs Army Corps of Engineers to have all the approvals in an hour and directs the Navy and other agencies to expedite getting the tankers into place.

Someone says they heard some movie star has spent $25 million of own money to invent some centrifuges to separate oil from water. President directs Coast Guard provide a project manager and the Army to provide helicopter lift support as well as Army or commercial charter barges or other vessels as needed; get it done and report back to him in 24 hours.

Need more oil booms? Does anyone know the vendors or manufacturers personally; call them and we will issue a blanket purchase order and to set up 24/7 production lines; hire and train additional production people; we will pay the extra costs for O/T, hiring and training. Set up transportation so the booms are available where needed. If we need air cargo, then set up charters now. Get some Army logistics people to coordinate the moves. Ask the Air Force to provide their best whiz bang expert on air lift in case they need wide body C-5 airlift support or to set up wide body charters. If there are 747 cargo planes parked in the desert, then call the owners to get some of them available.

If commercial fishing boats are available, set up a charter desk to bring them on board for logistics support. They're going to be out of schlitz anyway for fishing for a while, so let's put them to work doing local support.

And the president directs an oil spill war room be set up in the White House immediately, use the dining room if necessary, with the colonel in charge to process all ideas and funnel them to the appropriate person immediately. And to start a log of all ideas and to have them for him for the following morning.

That's how you do it.

You create a sense of urgency and issue the payment orders so that no one is out of pocket.

Tell the BP guy to work with the war room and to use the war room for any short cuts for logistics that they need, that the president is available at all times, and not to wait until the next day if something comes up.

That's how you do it; everyone KNOWS that's how you do it; and the President didn't do it. Instead the President sounded like some ten year old sci-fi fan who thinks it's real life and that from watching too much television sent in the SWAT teams and lawyers who learned that there was, in a first aid kit, a bottle of eye wash fluid that was out of date.

[quote="rlg94086, post:7, topic:201087"]
Who isn't holding BP accountable?

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BP said they would pay. They are issuing checks and credit cards like crazy. A billion in company money so far. Fifty million per day or more.

The President of the U.S. said they would make BP pay.

BP already said they would pay; and they are paying; they have shelled out over a billion dollars so far. Not necessary to say the president has his boot on the neck of an unwilling BP.

BP is working hard. The president thinks that being presidential means being shown playing golf and saying stuff like putting his boot on someone's neck. But BP is not trying to evade responsibility. NOT NECESSARY to issue threats. Maybe that's what BHO is accustomed to in his circle of associates. Or maybe that's what he saw on some lawyer television program like watching Candice Bergen or William Shatner on Boston Legal.

Apparently, on June 1, 2010 the President called in James Cameron, director of the movie "Titanic" to get his expertise. [Cameron makes MOVIES!!!. Cameron doesn't do real life stuff!!!]

The president has NO CLUE.

[quote="rlg94086, post:7, topic:201087"]
Who isn't holding BP accountable?

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Good question. Now that the calamity has happened, I think, I hope, they will be held accountable. Will anything be different now than it was before the disaster, when the neglect was going on, and the employee exit interveiws and outside inquiries revealed problems but nothing was done? And of all things, executives still got promoted?

Will that still happen at post-disaster investigations? Will powerful executives, large campaign donations, and influential lobbyists derail federal investigations by various adminstrative or congressional committees? It could very well happen. It takes an enraged public to make sure things don't get swept under the rug. There is a lot at stake for the people involved and they will be very motivated to avoid the consequences.

[quote="Monte_RCMS, post:9, topic:201087"]
BP said they would pay. They are issuing checks and credit cards like crazy. A billion in company money so far. Fifty million per day or more.

The President of the U.S. said they would make BP pay.

BP already said they would pay; and they are paying; they have shelled out over a billion dollars so far. Not necessary to say the president has his boot on the neck of an unwilling BP.

BP is working hard. The president thinks that being presidential means being shown playing golf and saying stuff like putting his boot on someone's neck. But BP is not trying to evade responsibility. NOT NECESSARY to issue threats. Maybe that's what BHO is accustomed to in his circle of associates. Or maybe that's what he saw on some lawyer television program like watching Candice Bergen or William Shatner on Boston Legal.

Apparently, on June 1, 2010 the President called in James Cameron, director of the movie "Titanic" to get his expertise. [Cameron makes MOVIES!!!. Cameron doesn't do real life stuff!!!]

The president has NO CLUE.

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CNN reported BP is paying unemployed people to help with the clean up. They are paying good money too, $32/hr for supervisors and $18/hr for workers. GOOD FOR THEM!!

My thinking, if you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.

[quote="Monte_RCMS, post:8, topic:201087"]
What could the President have done to get the situation in hand more quickly?

Called the BP guy and the governor of Louisiana on a conference call each morning to ask what they need.

Jindal needs approval for the berms? Done. Presidential verbal approval over the phone followed by an executive order in writing by fax within the hour. Need more dredges? Get the Army Corps of Engineers to call around; divert dredges from other projects. Have Jindal appoint a project manager to coordinate all the work. If they need aerial photos, get a project manager appointed for that, as well. Today.

BP guy said someone suggested getting supertankers with sucker pumps and priority for on-shore storage and separation? President asks what do you need in terms of approvals? And directs Army Corps of Engineers to have all the approvals in an hour and directs the Navy and other agencies to expedite getting the tankers into place.

Someone says they heard some movie star has spent $25 million of own money to invent some centrifuges to separate oil from water. President directs Coast Guard provide a project manager and the Army to provide helicopter lift support as well as Army or commercial charter barges or other vessels as needed; get it done and report back to him in 24 hours.

Need more oil booms? Does anyone know the vendors or manufacturers personally; call them and we will issue a blanket purchase order and to set up 24/7 production lines; hire and train additional production people; we will pay the extra costs for O/T, hiring and training. Set up transportation so the booms are available where needed. If we need air cargo, then set up charters now. Get some Army logistics people to coordinate the moves. Ask the Air Force to provide their best whiz bang expert on air lift in case they need wide body C-5 airlift support or to set up wide body charters. If there are 747 cargo planes parked in the desert, then call the owners to get some of them available.

If commercial fishing boats are available, set up a charter desk to bring them on board for logistics support. They're going to be out of schlitz anyway for fishing for a while, so let's put them to work doing local support.

And the president directs an oil spill war room be set up in the White House immediately, use the dining room if necessary, with the colonel in charge to process all ideas and funnel them to the appropriate person immediately. And to start a log of all ideas and to have them for him for the following morning.

That's how you do it.

You create a sense of urgency and issue the payment orders so that no one is out of pocket.

Tell the BP guy to work with the war room and to use the war room for any short cuts for logistics that they need, that the president is available at all times, and not to wait until the next day if something comes up.

That's how you do it; everyone KNOWS that's how you do it; and the President didn't do it. Instead the President sounded like some ten year old sci-fi fan who thinks it's real life and that from watching too much television sent in the SWAT teams and lawyers who learned that there was, in a first aid kit, a bottle of eye wash fluid that was out of date.

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EXACTLY! You get the job done first and than you worry about the name blame game. In a catastrophe every second counts.

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