I have started this one here because I think it will easier to keep track of the topic as the Book of Mormon thread was just getting full of many side questions
my opening comment is in answer to a question posed on the other thread and then I deal with the issue of an apostasy and prehaps the moderators could ask the posters to refrain from personal insults or questions calling into question my indentity or my country of orgin when I have already stated them other wise I will just withdraw from the forum I’m here to debate not to trde insults.
Firstly I really don’t have heroes religious or not I see all people as children of God and in a path that hopefully will lead us all to eternal life. Heroes are best kept to comic books and in the mind of children, I know that most Catholics like their religious heroes and saints if you so like and look up and revere them almost to the point of worship which type of worship is not uncommon in today’s world.
It is indeed central to the LDS beliefs that there was indeed an apostasy and it falls into basiic camps
There was an apostasy , and a restoration was nesscery
There was not and a restoration was not needed.
I don’t think anyone can agrue with that basic concept . And this idea leads us to only to two points worth debating the LDS Church is true and is what it says The restored Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints .
Or it is built on lies and deceit and a great many people have been fooled… And since I don’t like being fooled I’m open to something better a more complete religion or faith so this will be your chance to help me on my journey.
But first it is important to look at a few facts
People think that this is a made up lds doctrine which is not so we need to look at the biblical evidence for an apostasy as taught in the bible by the apostles of Jesus themselves.
Now if we establish that an apostasy was indeed taught in the bible , which I think we will . There is only one route that we can take well there are a few , but only one honest one and that is that Joseph Smith saw what he said he saw. That he did indeed translate the Book of Mormon and the restoration has indeed happened, but first things first…
As was asked in another post why would Jesus let his church fail?. Which logically leads to another question if the church failed does that make Jesus a failer.
But if we deal with the latter first its not a matter of failure on His part that there was an apostasy rather a blessing that men are free to choose for themselves
Therefore cheer up your hearts, and remember that ye are free to act for yourselves—to choose the way of everlasting death or the way of eternal life.
2 Nephi 10-23