Apostolic Succession

I am told by a protestant, that there is no succession and I cannot prove such. Can someone give me a complete biblical reference list that shows this. As well as a series of quotes from the early church.

Thanks
JohnPaul

Not sure about a complete list, but this article from Catholic Answers has a number of quotes from the Church Fathers:

catholic.com/library/Apostolic_Succession.asp

[quote=Dr. Colossus]Not sure about a complete list, but this article from Catholic Answers has a number of quotes from the Church Fathers:

catholic.com/library/Apostolic_Succession.asp
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THanks for this, are there more quotes? like Justin Martyr or Ignatius of Antioch, or others confirming this Apostolic succession. Those are really good though.

These are from a “cheat sheet” I got from subscribing to This Rock:

[left]Apsotolic Church[/left]
[left]Jn 15:16 - Jesus chose special men to be his Apostles[/left]
[left]Jn 20:21 - Jesus gave the Apostles his own mission[/left]
[left]Lk 22:29 - 30 - Jesus gave them the kingdom[/left]
[left]Mt 16:18 - Jesus built Church on Peter, the rock[/left]
[left]Jn 10:16 - one shepherd to shepherd Christ’s sheep[/left]
[left]Lk 22:32, Jn 21:17 - Peter appointed to be chief shepherd[/left]
[left]Eph 4:11 - Church leaders are hierarchical[/left]
[left]1 Tim 3:1, 8; identifies roles of bishops, priests, deacons[/left]
[left]Tit 1:5 - comission for bishops to ordain priests[/left]
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[left]Appostolic Succession[/left]
[left]2 Chr 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of Lord’s[/left]
[left]Mal 2:7 - seek instruction from priest, he is God’s messenger[/left]
[left]Eph 2:20 - church built upon foundation of apostles and prophets[/left]
[left]Eph 4:11 God gave some as apostles, others as prophets… (different roles in church)[/left]
[left]1 Cor 12:28 - 29 - God designated in church:apostles…[/left]
[left]Acts 1:20 - Let another take his office[/left]
[left]Acts 1:25 -26 - Matthias takes Judas’ apostolic ministry[/left]
[left]1 Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - qualification for bishops, priests, and deacons[/left]
[left]1 Tim 4:14 - gift conferred with the laying on of hands[/left]
[left]1 Tim 5:22 - do not lay hands too readily on anyone[/left]
[left]Act 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church[/left]
[left]**2 Tim 2:2 - what you heard from me entrust to faithful **teachers[/left]
[left]Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in every town, as I derected[/left]
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[left]My personal favorites are highlighted. I think different verses have greater impact on different people. I came from a Nazarene, Assembly of God, and Evangelical background, (actually, I am a technical revert, but my parents stopped going to the Catholic Church when I was 4 years old).[/left]
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[left]The ones I liked the best show to me that there has always meant to be a structure. They may have met in peoples homes, but there were leaders. And that leadership, if someone died was meant to be passed to someone else, picked by those already there. If that was the case for the early church, why not now?[/left]
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[left]If you want, I also have a list of verses (and a few church fathers) for the Authoritative Church, Infallible church, and perpertual church. [/left]
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[left]I hope these can help you.[/left]
[left]God Bless [/left]
[left]Maria[/left]
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Holy Bible:(source:scripturecatholic.com)

Acts 1:15-26 - the first thing Peter does after Jesus ascends into heaven is implement apostolic succession. Matthias is ordained with full apostolic authority. Only the Catholic Church can demostrate an unbroken apostolic lineage to the apostles through the sacrament of ordination and thereby claim to teach with Christ’s own authority.

Acts 6:6 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority has transferred beyond the original twelve apostles as the Church has grown.

Col 1:25 - Paul calls his position a divine “office.” An office has successors. It does not terminate at death. Or it’s not an office.

1 Tim. 5:22 - Paul urges Timothy to be careful in laying on the hands (ordaining others). The gift of authority is a reality and cannot be used indiscriminately.

Acts 5:13 - the people acknowledged the apostles’ special authority and did not dare take it upon themselves.

3 John 9 - John points out that Diotrephes does not acknowledge John’s apostolic authority and declares that this is evil.

Fathers of the Church:(source:catholic.com)

Pope Clement I:
“Our apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of bishop. For this reason, therefore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned and afterwards added the further provision that, if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry” (*Letter to the Corinthians *42:4–5, 44:1–3 [A.D. 80]).

Hegesippus
"When I had come to Rome, I [visited] Anicetus, whose deacon was Eleutherus. And after Anicetus [died], Soter succeeded, and after him Eleutherus. In each succession and in each city there is a continuance of that which is proclaimed by the law, the prophets, and the Lord" (Memoirs, cited in Eusebius, *Ecclesiastical History *4:22 [A.D. 180]).

**Cyprian of Carthage
**"[T]he Church is one, and as she is one, cannot be both within and without. For if she is with [the heretic] Novatian, she was not with [Pope] Cornelius. But if she was with Cornelius, who succeeded the bishop [of Rome], Fabian, by lawful ordination, and whom, beside the honor of the priesthood the Lord glorified also with martyrdom, Novatian is not in the Church; nor can he be reckoned as a bishop, who, succeeding to no one, and despising the evangelical and apostolic tradition, sprang from himself. For he who has not been ordained in the Church can neither have nor hold to the Church in any way" (*Letters *69[75]:3 [A.D. 253]).

**Augustine
**"[T]here are many other things which most properly can keep me in [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15–17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house" (*Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” *4:5 [A.D. 397]).

Pio

Make sure you then ask him for a list that shows his church has a direct connection to the Apostles. Turn about is fair play.

[quote=cestusdei]Make sure you then ask him for a list that shows his church has a direct connection to the Apostles. Turn about is fair play.
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That’s a good question, problem is with Protestants they don’t believe in a visible church so he would argue that he doesn’t need to trace his connection.

The church history written by Eusebius around the time of Constantine gives lists of Apostolic succession along with many other details of early church history.
newadvent.org/fathers/2501.htm
Beginning with book 3, he gives the succession of bishops of Rome. The work is not just about the apostolic succession, but if you glance through the chapter titles, you can see where the succession lists are given.

JimG

Here is the list of every pope in the last 2000 years in chronological order newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

[quote=Catholic29]Here is the list of every pope in the last 2000 years in chronological order newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
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Wow, I guess there is no list of Bishop Succession is there?

Wow, I guess there is no list of Bishop Succession is there?

Think again, catholic-hierarchy.org/ .It takes a whole website to list them all. If you look through it enough, it lists every Catholic bishop on record.

Scripture indicates his Church would be visible. It never says anything about an invisible church that no one can find or know which is the true one. They just use this as a way to dodge having to show their own apostolic succession or lack thereof.

[quote=Catholic29]Think again, catholic-hierarchy.org/ .It takes a whole website to list them all. If you look through it enough, it lists every Catholic bishop on record.
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I can’t believe it, unreal, how can people continue to doubt this. I’m not sure, but does the site show who appointed who since the beginning? Actually, there is more than enough there, i am just curious.

So how is Apostolic Succession defined?

It’s not very clear. It must be established what it is in order to see where it is applicable.

Apostolic succession means that there is a direct line of Popes leading back to Peter. Since Peter was made the head of the Church by Christ, those who held his office after him have the same authority that he did when he was alive. The authority of the Bishops and the Priests is bestowed on them by the Pope. Apostolic Succession is what give the Church validity, it is the key to tracing back to the founder of the Church, Jesus Christ.

Here is a link that discusses Apostolic Succession in detail.

newadvent.org/cathen/01641a.htm

And why can’t they claim Apostolic Succession if they can show that St Peter or another Apostle ordained their first bishop and they can show that lineage?

They cannot claim succession because their church wasn’t formed until, at the earliest, the middle of the 15th century.

But the Eastern Churches were established by the Apostles. so do they have apostolic succession

I apologize, I was thinking of protestent religions

[quote=Catholic29]Think again, catholic-hierarchy.org/ .It takes a whole website to list them all. If you look through it enough, it lists every Catholic bishop on record.
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Actually the site currently only covers almost 16,000 bishops. These include all current bishops and those that have been alive since 1950. In additional selected historical bishops are listed - including almost all historical North American bishops.

Over time, I’m adding additional historical bishops as well as new appointments.

(P.S. I’m the webmaster of that web site :slight_smile:

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