[quote="Odell, post:5, topic:278641"]
I ask you to bear with me, for it's not a topic I totally understand. It's a mystery; but here are some things that Aqunas believedto be true.
Eternal Beatitude surpasses our nature.
Since we can not attain eternal life on our own, we must be predestined to that end as an arrow is directed b an archer.
God does not predestined based on future merritts.
Nothing is direct to an end unless the will for the end already exist.
God does not cause badness but Permits it for the greater good.
God is not determined by mans sin and God does not cause sin.
Gods eternal decree includes both the permission to sin and the punishment of sin without regard to future demerits; God remains unmoved.
God wills the best goodness as a whole, not in parts.
God who permits sin, and punishes sin by abandoning man and leaving him without grace is all within his internal decree.
God who hardens hearts by withholding grace does not change or determine God b/c He is willing punishment (withholding grace) while willin to permit sin. God is pure act.
Thus Gods will to give grace and punish those who reject grace imply no change in God.
Anyone who performs a single act does so by efficacious grace.
While avid requires faith and works He brings it forth by His efficacious grace.
This should be enough to meditate on for now.
Almost, God may give efficacious grace to some that are not necessarily given the grace of final perseverance.
God isn't determined by man to whom He gives this efficacious grace if that what you mean. He gives it to whom He wishes.
Sufficent grace gives man the power but is never actualized it remains in potency.
For example if I'm sitting on the couch, my power to stand is in potency. This means I have the ability to stand, not just the theoretical ability. If the phone rings, I have the power to answer. If I choose to remain sitting, my power to stand remains in potency. If I later discover it was my wife due to an emergency, I will not be able to blame m wife for not standing up and actualise my potency and answer he phone. If she had warned me earlier to answer the phone I will be guilty of not responding to her call. Similarly l, if God grants me sufficent trace to perform a salutary act, I can only blame myself for resisting the grace, especially when God has warned me.
Sufficient grace remains an interior impulse, but efficacious grace produces an exterior act. With efficacious grace, man is able to resist the grace but does not, because the grace causes him to freely choose the good.
Sufficent trace is Absoulutly sufficent to obey Gods laws if not Gos punishments would be in vain. We don't know how sufficent grace can be sufficent when an efficacious grace is required. But we do know that sin is our fault and not Gods doing. Thus we can have comfort in letting a mystery be a mystery.
Again the Calvinst claim God does not give man sufficent grace.
With efficacious grace God assist us by strengthing our will so we may choose the good.an is still freely choosing the good so in a sense it can be attributed to man. However, man is able to choose good only because God continues to operate in his will making him capable of performing the act.
If God as the prary cause does not apply the will to act secondary cause then ultimately some good would not come from the source of all good. The greater would come from the lesser.
I would say that those whom God predestines is given the efficacious grace of final perseverance. But all are given sufficent grace.
The council of Orange II cannon 18 tells us "That grace is preceded by no merits a reward is due to good works, if they are performed; but grace, which is not due precedes that they may be done."
Hope this helps! You should really get the book I recommended.
I do plan on getting that book. I think it would definitely help. But until then, I'm gonna keep picking your brain. :p
Correct me if I'm wrong on this:
Jesus' sacrifice gave SUFFICIENT GRACE for all, but not EFFICACIOUS GRACE.
God will give EFFICACIOUS GRACE even to those who will not persevere to the end.
Man requires God's grace to repent and follow God. Is SUFFICIENT GRACE the initial grace that allows any man to turn to God and repent? Which is then followed by EFFICACIOUS GRACE to continue to "run the race"?