But doesn’t their response include whether or not they accept *all *that the Lord commanded - or is it only *some *of what the Lord commanded? How much of the Truth are we allowed to reject? Now I know that you will agree with me that the answer is “none - culpably”. And therein lies the problem. In connection with this, I think the text of LG kind of “assumes” inculpable rejection is the norm rather than the exception. I’m looking for something similar to this pre-Vatican II. It’s this “approach” that is very disturbing to me and confusing to so many.
Ok - but still, I think Pope Pius XII was both very charitable and very explicit in the need for the Protestant to “come home” to the church…is this the part of Mystici Corporis you referred to…
- …Imploring the prayers of the whole Church We wish to repeat this solemn declaration in this Encyclical Letter in which We have proclaimed the praises of the “great and glorious Body of Christ” and from a heart overflowing with love We ask each and every one of them to correspond to the interior movements of grace, and to seek to withdraw from that state in which they cannot be sure of their salvation. For even though by an unconscious desire and longing they have a certain relationship with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer, they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church. Therefore may they enter into Catholic unity and, joined with Us in the one, organic Body of Jesus Christ, may they together with us run on to the one Head in the Society of glorious love. Persevering in prayer to the Spirit of love and truth, We wait for them with open and outstretched arms to come not to a stranger’s house, but to their own, their father’s home.See, here’s the difference. The Holy Father, while not denying the possibility of their salvation, says that just by remaining outside of the Church, this salvation is in jeopardy - and follows it with an urgent and explicit call to conversion.
Here’s another passage from the next paragraph of Mystici Corporis…still talking of Christians outside of the Church…
104…Unfortunately many are still wandering far from the Catholic truth, being unwilling to follow the inspirations of divine grace, because neither they nor the faithful pray to God with sufficient fervor for this intention.
See here, Pope Pius XII says that many who remain outside are unwilling to follow God’s grace - that involves culpability since it’s in the will and dealing specifically with our response to God’s grace. And of course the call to prayer for this matter falls on those outside AND us inside the Church. Given that so many folks don’t think conversion is a big deal anyway - I doubt many are praying for those very conversions. Us laity gotta take responsibility too.
Anyway - here, in this and the rest of Mystici Corporis, I still see the urgency of the call to conversion to the Catholic faith, and it’s normative necessity…I just don’t see the same in Lumen Gentium- at least not clearly.