Are you willing to kill for your faith?

Imagine, the nation you lived in came under the control of a President who was anti-clerical, anti-catholic, radically socialist, and militantly atheist. This President then started adding laws to your nation’s constitution which had the blatant purpose of making Catholicism Illegal. Priests no longer received civil liberties, religious organizations could no longer own land, and public worship was now illegal. Priests are already being deported, scared away, imprisoned, and outright murdered.

Many Catholics started fleeing in response to this, hoping to escape persecution by relocating to foreign lands. However, many decided not to take this sitting down, and intend to take back their country and overthrow this tyrant with force of arms.

This isn’t a hypothetical.
The President is Plutarco Elias Calles, the nation is Mexico, the years were 1926-1929. Calles tried making Catholicism de-facto illegal in his nation, so in response thousands of Catholic Mexicans (called Cristeros) rose up in rebellion against his tyranny.

Would you be willing to fight and go to war in defense of your faith, and if so would you be committing a sin in doing so?

No, but I am willing to be a martyr.

If not a sin, yes. If so, I’d also be willing to be a martyr, if worthy of such a reward.

No.

The Church has already beatified some of those involved who fought and killed in battle, so following that affirmation from the Church (and the recognition that they are in Heaven), I would not exclude killing as a potential course of action that is Christian, charitable, and holy.

I am uncomfortable with the wording of the question though. “Am I willing to kill for my faith”. That is not what the Mexican resistance did. The Mexican authorities were killing, torturing, and executing innocent civilians, and some civilians organized themselves into an army and fought back and removed the belligerent regime. They were not killing for the faith. They were killing to protect life.

They didn’t remove the persecutory regime, though.

Under US pressure, the war came to an end and so did the Mexican interdict, but most of the persecutory legislation remained in place until 1991.

I would not participate in such an effort because while political conditions come and go, dead is forever.

ICXC NIKA

Replace the Mexican govt of the story with the UN sending soldiers to seize the Vatican and you have an interesting situation.

I’m a pacifist so no, but I’m willing to be a martyr .

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I am monumentally afraid of death and so I admit, for me it would require grace!

ICXC NIKA.

I would not kill. However I would stand up for the faith. If that would make me a martyr, then so be it.

No to killing.

I don’t know how killing people would help the situation described here, but I would certainly do what I could to help end the persecution of a religious group by a corrupt government.

The wording of this question isn’t really in line with the scenario given. Asking “Are you willing to kill for your faith?” isn’t the same as “Are you willing to fight and die for what you believe?”
There is provision for war in the Catechism. Soldiers aren’t necessarily going to hell because they kill. Much depends on the situation and the motivation. Does a woman who has been abused for years who kills her husband to stop him abusing her 11 year old niece, commit a crime? Again, true story, the case of R v Kina, 1985, NSW, not for impressionable or delicate readers.

Persecution is nothing new in the Church. Replace Mexico with England, France, Australia, Russia, Poland, Hungary, Japan, China, Rome etc, up to this very day. Generally speaking the persecuted Christians did not rise up and kill their oppressors, though some did.

Personally, I don’t know what I would do. As a nurse I live my life devoted to saving life, sometimes at any cost. All the same I hope I would have courage to follow my faith in dark times, courage to say what I believe, no matter what the cost, courage to risk my life to defend others, courage to forgive and still love. I pray I will never be tested so hard, but look at the world around us. Is it so far off?

BornInMarch;13566176] Imagine, the nation you lived in came under the control of a President who was anti-clerical, anti-catholic, radically socialist, and militantly atheist. This President then started adding laws to your nation’s constitution which had the blatant purpose of making Catholicism Illegal. Priests no longer received civil liberties, religious organizations could no longer own land, and public worship was now illegal. Priests are already being deported, scared away, imprisoned, and outright murdered.

Many Catholics started fleeing in response to this, hoping to escape persecution by relocating to foreign lands. However, many decided not to take this sitting down, and intend to take back their country and overthrow this tyrant with force of arms.

This isn’t a hypothetical.
The President is Plutarco Elias Calles, the nation is Mexico, the years were 1926-1929. Calles tried making Catholicism de-facto illegal in his nation, so in response thousands of Catholic Mexicans (called Cristeros) rose up in rebellion against his tyranny.

Would you be willing to fight and go to war in defense of your faith, and if so would you be committing a sin in doing so?

Yes*!*, because:-

“Thou shalt not kill.” Exodus 20:13 Douay-Rheims,

also:-

“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.” Romans 12:19 KJV

Protector.

Indeed. The western nation’s justice systems have become dependant on the punitive contributions of that vast pool of financial resources, the Institution of the Catholic Church. The ‘Faith’ is already under attack.

Me too, but not as a result of someone else’s incompetence. Too many today see others as expendable.

Yes. If the Church had an army I would join. People forget that for a good part of history She did. I would not expect all to join the new crusades… And I don’t think it morally imperative, especially for women.

Are you being judgemental of every soldier who has ever fought?

Look up the Papal Zouaves.

A similar scenario happened when Italy was in the process of unification. The Papal Zouaves were made up of Catholic men from all over the world who went to Rome to defend the Papal States. Most volunteers were from Europe but there Americans, Peruvians, Mexicans, East Indians, Africans, Circassians and from the South Pacific islands.

Read up on them and it quite fascinating reading.

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