Della;13611097] “Turn the other cheek” is not about waging war. Waging a just war is not sinful, on the contrary, sometimes it is absolutely necessary. When Jesus talked about turning the other cheek he was referring to personal insult not to waging war against oppressors and tyrants.
Again, “he who is not against you is for you” has nothing to do with alliances in war. He was talking about not rejecting those who are outside his Church who believe in him or who have good intentions, but seeing them as allies in the fight (spiritual fight) against evil in the world.
Della;13611097] “He was talking about not rejecting those who are outside his Church who believe in him or who have good intentions, but seeing them as allies …”
Presumably then that would exclude the following:-
xNoOnex;13587046] … “Islamic radicals, Russia, China, South American drug cartels…”
Of course xNoOnex;13587046, should stand ready to defend that statement in view of the Russian Orthodox Church.
xNoOnex;13587046] …If Catholics were forced underground and began a guerrilla war against any Western superpower, …they would have to make allies if they had any hopes of succeeding and overthrowing the government. …
…And who currently opposes Western governments? Islamic radicals, Russia, China, South American drug cartels.
Della;13611097] … “When reading Scripture context is vital. We cannot clip verses out of context in order to support agendas, no matter how noble we feel the agenda might be.”
Very true Della, but I was NOT supporting any agenda as you suppose. I was in fact supplying a Scriptural quotation to question the statement from "xNoOnex " that:-
xNoOnex;13587046]…If Catholics were forced underground and began a guerrilla war against any Western superpower, they would have to make allies …And who currently opposes Western governments? Islamic radicals, Russia, China, South American drug cartels…
I was merely pointing out that Jesus was saying that, those who although they had not been commissioned by Christ Himself, but were in fact engaged in the same “just war” were to be considered friends, but He certainly was not condoning alliances with those who, although not necessarily directly opposed to the work of the Disciples, were never-the-less not to be considered “one of us”, as the saying goes. And by tne way I don’t have Agendas, I have faith in the Scriptures.
Della;13611097] Christianity is not an idealism–it is living in God as he directs through his Church, who alone has the authority to decide matters of faith and morals, such as what constitutes a just war and when we are obliged to use force to defend ourselves and others.
In your view Della, were the Crusades to be considered, ***"a just war " ***?
Christianity is not an idealism–…
So very true Della —It is living in God as he directs through His WORD as contained in the Holy Scriptures - as in:-
" For the word of God is living and effectual, and more piercing than any two edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12 (Douay-Rheims Holy Bible)
It is a direct reference to Christ as the Living Word of God - accessed not as you state:-
"through his Church "
…as being an organisation with a mandate from Christ to be the sole arbiter in the questions of “faith and morals”, and the granting, or denying of Salvation by virtue of rules (not contained in the Scriptures), namely “the sacraments.”
Christ talks to us through the Scriptures - And He says:-
" …I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me." John 4:16.
It would seem, dear friend in Christ, that we have wandered some distance away from the OP, but thank you for your post Della.