Someone on another forum asked about Arianism and if Jesus is God I answered him with quotes from the scripture showing that Jesus is God, he apparently is defending Arianism. What would be some good responses?
Here is what was said,
[quote]“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
” (John 1:1.)
Which doesn’t mention Jesus at all.
“Thomas answered and said to him: My Lord, and my God
” (John 20:28).
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God” (John 20:31)
“Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am
” (John 8:58).
The belief of Arius was that though Jesus was the son of God, his creation predated that of the earth. This wouldn’t contradict that at all.
“For a child is born to us, a son is given to us: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty
, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace." (Isaias 9:6)
Somewhat interesting, but the new testament supercedes the old.
“But the author of life you killed
…” (Acts 3:15)
"3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [him] go.
3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses"
“Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus” (Acts:3:26)
I’m not seeing it. Acts clearly differentiates Jesus from God numerous times.
You have heard that it was said to them of old
: Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matthew 5:28).
I’ve said ‘but i say to you’ myself before, it hardly means i’m God does it. That’s stretching credulity to it’s limits.
From AD 108, St. Ignatius to the church at Ephesus: "Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to her who has been blessed in greatness through the fulness of God the Father, ordained before time to be always resulting in permanent glory, unchangeably united and chosen in true passion, by the will of the Father and of Jesus Christ, our God,
to the church which is in Ephesus of Asia, worthy of felicitation: abundant greetings in Jesus Christ and in blameless joy." (Ephesians 1)
“1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.” (Ephesians 1:1 to 1:3)
“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory” (Ephesians 1:17)
Just like elsehwhere, Epehesians clearly differentiates between Jesus and God.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence
, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity."
I don’t do dogmas. If people can convince me they’re correct, then i will agree with them. But i don’t ever let people tell me what to think.
He seems to be having trouble understanding that Christ is God and the Son of God.