- On another thread people who identify with the Liberal wing of the R. Catholic Church indicated that those who were thought of as “traditionalists” were arrogant and intolerant.
- On this thread I proposed that the very ones calling traditionalists “Rad Trads” ( a deprecating term") are also ehibiting arrogance and intolerance.
And some comments:
Where did this term “rad trad” come from. I have been an active Catholic for 50 years, read The St. Anthony Messenger & The New Oxford Review
Obviously it wasn’t a “Traditionalist”. So it must have been an opponent of the Traditionalists.
I use the term rad-Trads all of the time and the first time I actually heard it, it was out of the mouth of a “traditionalist”! I’ve encouraged people on this forum to use this term vs. traditionalist because I think that all too often people who simply have an attachment or attraction to the TLM are automatically lumped in with those who attack the Pope and Vatican II at every turn with a private jurisdiction that is contrary to Church teachings. It’s an effort to protect the “traditionalists” and I am in certainly no way against them. I’d love to see the TLM spread but unfortunately I believe it’s the rad-Trads that are hampering the efforts of the “traditionalist” to have this done!
If you look at the plethera of posts on the subject you will find an overwhelming amount of people attacking the Pauline Mass and by my score, the only person I’ve ever seen say they wish the TLM would fall off the face of the earth has been suspended. It is very hypocritical to see so many rad-Trads complaining about how their faith, mass, etc. gets picked on when the TLM isn’t what’s being picked on at all - it’s constantly the Pauline Mass. What I do “pick on” is their general rejection of Pastor Aeternus.
I also have serious problems with site like traditio.com that blatently tell lies on their sites. I was perusing through their “Novus Ordo” picture gallery and many of those pics are falsely portrayed. 3 of the pics from my diocese alone were put into false context or lies altogether! How about the “cheesehead mass”? I just found out that wasn’t a mass at all, it was a commencement speech at a college in Wisconsin, of course. And some of these supposedly Catholic Churches aren’t even Catholic Churches?! I’m sure that many more can be discredited. We had to endure years of hearing how the Pope said Mass with a Buddha on the tabernacle, how the Pope allowed the Mark of Shiva to be placed on his forhead, etc. from “Remnant” groups. So yes, I see where the arrogance lies. This is simply an attempt at brainwashing. I think they believe if they say it enough, it will be true. I, for the life of me, don’t see why anyone would ally himself/herself with groups like these that have to lie to promote their agenda. This is a little more hypocrisy.
Let’s just look at the hypocrisy in this thread alone. It’s wrong for someone to start a thread entitled "The Arrongance and Hypocrisy of “Traditionalists” and yet it’s just fine to start a thread with this title? They’re both wrong! If you believe the first is wrong, why play the tit for tat game? Sadly I see this rational used quite often. How many times have I heard rad-Trads say “It’s not fair that Lefebrve and Gruner get censored but the liberals never do (which isn’t true!).” They all should be taken out! They’re two sides to one disobedient coin!
Catholics are taught obedience and Jesus taught obedience,why would it not be arrogant to try to change what Jesus set up?Why is it not considred intollerant to attack those who want to be faithful to Jesus and His Church?
This sounds like the “We’re more Catholic than the Pope” or at best “We’re more Catholic than you” Do you honestly think that the rest of us don’t want to be faithful to Jesus and His Church? On the last thread was there one person who was for women’s ordination, dancing in the aisles, etc.? I love the way liberals, non-traditionalists, etc. get thrown out there so often. It’s just the “if we say it enough maybe it’ll be true” tactic again.
I’ve asked time and again that we spend time doing something a little more constructive like share ways we’ve gotten our indults or to throw out some new ideas on how to get indults and yet this has been constantly ignored by those who prefer to rant! :mad: