artificial insemination


#1

Hello, I am new here so hopefully I am doing this right. I am getting married next May to a Catholic man. I am not catholic but I still love him. Well here is my question. Is it against the Catholic religon to have artificial inseimnation? The reason I asked this is because my finance can not have kids and I would want to have my own child. I am christian and I didn’t see anything the bible that talks about this topic. I don’t feel it is wrong to want to have your own child but I would like to know from someone who is Catholic. thanks a lot
kkraft


#2

Welcome to the forum! :wave:

Next time you would probably want to post this in moral theology.

Artificial insemination is against church teaching.

2376 Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple (donation of sperm or ovum, surrogate uterus), are gravely immoral. These techniques (heterologous artificial insemination and fertilization) infringe the child’s right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses’ "right to become a father and a mother only through each other."167

2377 Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible, yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that "entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children."168 "Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses’ union . . . . Only respect for the link between the meanings of the conjugal act and respect for the unity of the human being make possible procreation in conformity with the dignity of the person."169


#3

I am sorry I posted it is the wrong section. I wanted someone who was in the catholic faith to answer my question. Where in the bible does it state that articial insemination is wrong. I understand that the union between a husband and a wife is sacred and I believe that a child has the right to a father and a mother and in my cause the child will have a father and mother. My finance is Catholic and he can not have children. The reason I ask this is because I want my own children and he wants children also. He is still learning a lot about his religion even though he was born into his religon. I want to respect his religon and I want to be able to respect God’s laws and if GOD said it is wrong than I will not be able to be a mom but if he doesn’t state that it is wrong than I can be a mom. thanks
kkraft


#4

Hi kkraft,
As rayne89 said, this question is better suited for the moral theology forum. This entire forum is Catholic, not just the radio forum. This radio forum is devoted to the Catholic Answers Live radio show.

When you ask, “Where in the Bible does it state that artificial insemination is wrong,” you open up a whole other discussion which can be treated more fully in the appropriate forum, the moral theology forum. When you post your question, ask that a Catholic who can explain the authentic Catholic position respond.

Another option is to call Catholic Answers at 619-387-7200 and ask to speak with an apologist.

God bless!


#5

There is a reason why God gave us the teaching magisterium of the Church. You will not find the words “stem cell research” in the Bible, you will not the term “euthansia” in the Bible, you will not even find the term “abortion” in Bible, that does not mean they are morally acceptable. There are plenty morally unacceptable things in our society that you will not find direct reference to in the Bible.

Here is a link that may help you with a better explanation of the teaching on artificial insemination:
cuf.org/FaithFacts/details_view.asp?ffID=123

As far as the teaching authority of the Church the bible refers to the church as “the pillar and foundation of truth”. 1 Tim 3:15

And in Matt 16:18-19 :18. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
19. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

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Also Matt 18:17-18 If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
18. Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

As Catholics we submit to the teaching authority of the Church esatblished by Jesus Christ which he promised to protect by the Holy Spirit

  1. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you always,

  2. the Spirit of truth, which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it, because it remains with you, and will be in you.
    John 14:15-17

  3. "I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.

  4. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming.
    John 16:12-13

The Bible is clear that Jesus did give teaching authority to HIs Church. Obviously a to follower in Jesus’ time artificial insemination would be completely foreign. To put every possible moral dilema in the Bible it would take more volumes than we could even imagine. Jesus never said the Bible was our only reference.

2 Thess 2:15. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.

2 Thess 3: 6. We instruct you, brothers, in the name of [our] Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.

As far as you not being able to have children with your future spouse this is definately a cross that I’m sure is very painful. In my own case I have one child. Due to a severe heart condition a second pregnancy would kill me. While the technology is available for me to have a surrogate mother carry the child of my husband and I (and I no doubt have a couple dear life long friends that would do this for me) I can not because it is not a moral choice.

I am also an adopted child. My (adoptive) father also could not have biological children. The parents that raised me are my mom and dad. If this is the man that God has placed in your life then I think God has chosen a special vocation for you. And I believe He has a a child(ren) in mind especially for you. Sometimes it is very difficult to accept that our plans are not God’s. But you will never be disappointed if follow God’s way over your own.
God Bless you for seeking understanding and respecting your fiance’s faith.

I hope you will continue to join us on the Forum.


#6

Rayne89
I thanks for your insight. It does state in the bible that there is only one God and there only one book that is from God. I do admit that there are other books that can help us in a spritual walk but it is not writen or guide by God. I believe you are right about adaption I believe that they are many children out there that needed loving and spritual home. but unfounalty I will not be able to do that anytime soon because it cost a lot more to adapt a child than to have your own.that includes Artificial insemination. Maybe you are right that God will bless us later.Because right now my finance and I have a disability. I have a seizure disorder and he has CP. Therefore we only could do certain jobs because of our health which doesn’t pay that well. Believe me I want to do things right, that is why I came to your site to get so answers. I believe that having a child is a blessing from God and if I can’t have my own child than maybe I could raise a child that needs a loving home in the future. I sorry to be so long but it is hard to know that I will never have my own child. I guess my thinking was that I wanted to have a child that my future husband will see before he gets really sick. Thanks kkraft


#7

kkraft,

God Bless you! I will say a prayer for you and your fiancee.

Your sincerity and desire to do what is right and to do only what is compatible with God’s will and your obvious love and concern for your fiancee is an inspiration.

Thank you!


#8

To clear confusion earlier posts may present, this thread is formerly of the Radio Forum and has been relocated. . .

now on with the topic.


#9

Super Moderator! Does it say that on your business cards? Fun!

The technology to peform artificial insemination did not exist when the Bible was compiled. Therefore, it is not reasonable to expect the Bible to speak specifically on issues that did not exist 2,000+ years ago!

A few good perspective issues need examination.

First, having children is not a right. It is a priviledge granted by God. And sometimes denied. We don’t know why.

Second, catholic teaching on procreation says that all marital sex must be mutually self-giving and open to life and that all children have a basic human right to be the product of that marital self-giving act which so reflects God’s own creative love for us.

IVF and artificial insemination substitute cold technology instead.

As you noted, adoption in the USA is criminally entangled with red tape and expensive bureaucracies. Would accepting an ‘imperfect’ child through becoming a foster parent first be an option? These children are often much easier to adopt (and more affordable).

Lastly, forgive my bluntness. Is your and your husband’s condition such that you have a good chance of living long enough to raise children? It wasn’t clear from your post what you meant. Having children isn’t primarily for the parents good, or their feelings and wants. It’s for the kids! Being a foster parent might be an even better option if you both face life-threatening illnesses.


#10

Lets be honest. First of all the only known belief system in the original Hebrew text, what Christians have coined the bible, was of the Jews, Gods chosen people. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was not a Catholic or Christian. He was a Jew. No mention of any man made religion or religious view is either noted in the bible by God or Jesus (in fact Jesus called non-Jews Gentiles. Not Catholics or Christians or Muslims) These are all man-made religions, not God made or God condoned. So to say that any church speaks for God is a sin against God. No one speaks for Him and He actually states that for someone to speak Gods word in anyway different than what God has stated is a sin. We cannot and are not allowed to speak for God. We may preach His word as each of us interpret it, but cannot say we speak for God. This is simply a sin, read your bible. The Hebrew text was called the WORD, not Bible. This is something that Christianity started up specifically with the Catholic and Roman Catholic churches. They wrote a later amendment called the New Testament and wanted it attached to the oldest know writings about God so they started calling it the New Testament and the Hebrew text the Old Testament. God did not do this, man did this, remember this! The New Testament was written as many as 140 years after Jesus' death. The Hebrew text was written in the time when Moses and God communicated one on one. For someone to state that the 'church' claims x or y is a sin is as near to blaspheming God as it gets. There are no standards, no statements, nothing stated about a woman becoming pregnant by means other than her husband. In fact in the days of the Jews, with approval of God, some times a woman would either get pregnant by a brother or even a son. The son would of course be the son of one of the other wives of her husband, husbands had 4 to 6 wives back then and GOD Condoned it, He would actually tell one of the Jews to 'take her as your wife' and have a son and call him Jacob (or some other name) so God condoned multiple wives but not multiple husbands because one man can impregnate a hundred women and populating the world with more of his chosen people was what God asked of them.
This rant about one church over another is ridiculous. There is no Church chosen by God or Jesus. We are Gentiles unless you want to argue with Jesus. The others are Jews.
Now, if you want to argue with Jesus, go ahead. I'm not. And please! quit calling Jesus, Jesus Christ! That's not his name. His name is Jesus of Nazareth, from the House of David! Christ is Latin, short for Christi or Christos which means the anointed one. If you want to use this term then call Him "Jesus the anointed one" or more correctly "Jesus de Christos". But for Pete's sate quit calling Him Jesus Christ, it's not his name!
Other things you may not know: there was not sign placed on the cross at Jesus' crucifixion. Pilot placed a placard on a stake at the base of the cross. What's with man made religions that make them feel they can change history and then teach it and say it is GODS WORD! It's not when it's incorrect!
Adam and Eve were like two hippie's in a commune. This commune was called Eden. They were naked, had no fears, lived alongside with the beasts, had sex, and lo and behold there were NO CHILDREN in EDEN! God must have given us this ability because it gave pleasure to his creations, not because it is dirty or bad or evil as many if not all man made religions taught at one time. Adam and Eve were not even married! God made Adam a HELPER! Read the Bible! He told her to honor her man as if unto HIM (GOD) an told ADAM to treat your woman like your own FLESH!
And don't get me on the eating of the apple! What bonk! There were no apples in the Garden of Eden. No proof ever has been found of this, but, there were FIGS and this is the scientifically and theological accepted fruit of the tree EVE ate. It was eaten off the Tree of Knowledge and Wisdom but no one teaches about the second tree they were forbidden to eat from, the TREE OF LIFE. After they are banned from EDEN God says, 'we are fortunate they did not eat from the tree of life, for they would have lived forever.' Why don't the man made churches teach the whole truth? They never have.
I'm tired, you folks with these man made religions really are going to meet your maker and be read the riot act so to speak for all this man made trickery and lies.
Did you know the first time GOD spoke to Adam, he introduced himself as "HASEEM" Now go figure that out?

DOC


#11

Yes.

I suggest you read the documents Donum Vitae and Dignitas Personae. You can google them, they are available at the Vatican website.

I suggest you and your fiance prayerfully consider adoption.

It is wrong to treat a child as a commodity, as a thing to be produced in a factory, to be owned. I’m sure in your desire to have a child, you are not thinking of it like this, but the fact remains that this is what it is: factory production of children.

Children are gift, and must come from the marital embrace. To attempt to obtain a child by insemination is a grave injustice to your spouse and to the child.

I really encourage you to read the two documents I reference above for a thorough understanding of why this is so wrong.


#12

Couples going through infertility bear one of the hardest crosses.

It’s good to see well educated opinions in this matter, but such responses are hardly sensitive to the deep suffering and pain entailed here. As a result, many people often mistake Church’s position in this matter as Church wants infertile people to suffer.

Church studies the problem of infertility with more seriousness than any other university or government department. She encourages all infertility treatments that directly treats the cause of infertility, rather than technologies that bypass the problem like in IVF or IUI. Church do allow homogeneous IUI provided the sperm is collected from the sexual intercourse between husband and wife.

That being the catechism, reality can be much more harsh. Month after month, couples rise in hope only to be disappointed end of the month. Some lose faith in God and all hope in life. They may tend to think God has completely abandoned them. What’s the hope in their life ?

The only answer I know is in Bible - Jesus Christ too felt abandoned by God in the Garden of Gethsemene. Even if all doors seem closed, you can put your complete trust in Jesus Christ. Pray, pray and pray, Christ can work miracles in your life. There are many infertile couples blessed with children after years of hardships and prayers. Infertility could be God’s way for leading you to God.


#13

[quote="kkraft, post:1, topic:31538"]
Is it against the Catholic religon to have artificial inseimnation?

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Yes, it is a grave sin against th sixth commandment.

I can suggest both of these documents for a deeper understanding of why this violates God's plan for marital sexuality and the rights and dignity of the child:

Donum Vitae

Dignitas Personae

[quote="kkraft, post:1, topic:31538"]
The reason I asked this is because my finance can not have kids and I would want to have my own child.

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I am sorry that your fiance struggles with infertility. I encourage you to discuss adoption, which is a moral option.

[quote="kkraft, post:1, topic:31538"]
I am christian and I didn't see anything the bible that talks about this topic. I don't feel it is wrong to want to have your own child but I would like to know from someone who is Catholic. thanks a lot
kkraft

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This is not something your future husband can be a part of. Please discuss adoption.


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