Astronomer Copernicus Reburied As Hero

Nicolaus Copernicus, the 16th-century astronomer whose findings were condemned by the Roman Catholic Church as heretical, was reburied by Polish priests as a hero on Saturday, nearly 500 years after he was laid to rest in an unmarked grave…

Copernicus

So?

the church no longer sees those views as heresy. therefore he is not a heretic.

I don’t think this is correct. He was initally buried in a Catholic Cathedral, a honor not afforded to people regarded as heretics. He was actually well thought of by Church leaders during his life. After his death, he was mainly attacked by protestant churchmen.

It was only in connection with others’ using his theories to attack the bible that his work was critiqued by the Church; something he did not do himself.

I think this writer is confusing Copernicus with Galileo who really did use Copernicus’ work to attack the believability of the bible generally, and saw his own work condemned by the Church for doing it. Or maybe he just wants the reader to believe Copernicus was somehow persecuted by the Church when he wasn’t.

It should surprise no one that the Poles want to re-inter him in a place of greater honor in Poland.

The article from the associated press claims the Catholic Church declared his finding heretical. His findings were not declared heretical but his book was put on the iIndex of Prohibited Books until a few sentences in the book were changed so that his theory was presented hypothesis and not fact.

catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9101prof.asp

Thibs was not done when the ook was published but well after his death. the article is in error and should print a retraction.

The article say that his findings were condemed as heretical. This is incorrect. His book was placed on the Index of Prohibited books well after his death. It was removed from the Index after a few sentences were changes so that Heliocentric Theory was presented as hypothesis and not as fact. At this time this was done, the theory had not been proven and went against the scientific consensus.

catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9101prof.asp

A retraction should be printed in each place this article was published.

If his grave was unmarked, how did they find him?

Sheesh!!! Sorry I posted it. :shrug:

I’m glad you posted the article, Kassandra. And I am glad Poland is honoring one of its scientific giants.

BTW, although the article does open with the statement that his writings were condemned as heretical, later on it makes clear that he died before his work became controversial.

[quote=CBS News article]Copernicus’ burial in an anonymous grave in the 16th century was not linked to suspicions of heresy. When he died, his ideas were just starting to be discussed by a small group of European astronomers, astrologers and mathematicians, and the church was not yet forcefully condemning the heliocentric world view as heresy, according to Jack Repcheck, author of “Copernicus’ Secret: How the Scientific Revolution Began.”

The full attack on those ideas came decades later when the Vatican was waging a massive defense against Martin Luther’s Reformation.

“There is no indication that Copernicus was worried about being declared a heretic and being kicked out of the church for his astronomical views,” Repcheck said.
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After more reading, we see that Wikipedia (not known for it’s sympathies towards Catholicism) says.

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Publication of de Revolutionibus (1543)

Nicolaus Copernicus published the definitive statement of his system in De Revolutionibus in 1543. Copernicus began to write it in 1506 and finished it in 1530, but did not publish it until the year of his death. Although he was in good standing with the Church and had dedicated the book to Pope Paul III, the published form contained an unsigned preface by Osiander defending the system and arguing that it was useful for computation even if its hypotheses were not necessarily true. Possibly because of that preface, the work of Copernicus inspired very little debate on whether it might be heretical during the next 60 years. There was an early suggestion among Dominicans that the teaching of heliocentrism should be banned, but nothing came of it at the time.

But the article goes on to say

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The decree of 1616

The Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina prompted the papal authorities to decide whether heliocentrism was acceptable. Galileo was summoned to Rome to defend his position. The Church accepted the use of heliocentrism as a calculating device, but opposed it as a literal description of the solar system.

Bellarmine supported a ban on the teaching of the idea as anything but hypothesis. In 1616 he delivered to Galileo the papal command not to “hold or defend” the heliocentric idea.[57] The Vatican files suggest that Galileo was forbidden to teach heliocentrism in any way whatsoever, but whether this ban was known to Galileo is a matter of dispute.[58]

(emphasis mine)

But this goes against information posted at the University of Oklahoma

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**The Congregation of the Index and the Copernican Decree **

Meanwhile, Inquisition proceedings continued. On February 24th, 1616, eleven consultants met in the Vatican to consider two propositions taken from Caccini’s deposition: that the Sun is the center of the world; and that the Earth is not at the center of the world, nor motionless. Both propositions, these theologians agreed, were foolish and absurd according to science. Moreover, they concluded, according to the Faith the first is heretical and the second is at least erroneous. However, Cardinal Orsini, Cardinal Caetani, Cardinal Bellarmine and others did not wish to create a public spectacle at the expense of the Grand Duke’s mathematician. Cardinal Maffeo Barbarini defended Galileo’s Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina before Pope Paul V, and as a result the decree issued by the Congregation of the Index stopped short of censuring Galileo or prohibiting any of his works. Nor did it declare Copernicanism “heretical” or “erroneous in the Faith.” But the De revolutionibus of Copernicus would be added to the Index of Prohibited Books until it could be corrected.

(emphasis mine)

Apparently graves were dug up until they found a 70 year old’s body - he died at that age. A computer reconstruction made by forensic police yielded something resembling a self-portrait he once did. Then DNA from his skeleton was matched with the DNA in a hair found in one of his books.

Thanks Dale_M! :wink:

Father Of Modern Science, Catholic Bishop Nicole Oresme’ Of Lisieux, France 1323 - 1382.

Nicole Oresme made significant contributions to late medieval natural philosophy. He studied and wrote about philosophy, mathematics, economics, physics, musicology, and psychology, and anticipated the ideas of early modern scientists such as Copernicus, Galileo and Descartes. He developed a geometric model to quantify and compare the intensities of qualities and of speeds. Oresme also developed the language of ratios, introduced by Thomas Bradwardine to relate speed to force and resistance, and applied it to physical and cosmological questions. He made a careful study of musicology and used his findings to develop the use of irrational exponents and the first theory that sound and light are a transfer of energy that does not displace matter. More than thirty-four books and treatises by Nicole Oresme are extant.

His translations of Aristotle’s works introduced a number of technical terms into the French language. He did not agree with Aristotle that “qualities” existed objectively, and worked extensively to prove that they were subject to the perception of the human mind. He studied the influence of the subconscious mind on perception, and also the physical phenomena, such as atmospheric distortion, which cause errors in perception. He also developed the use of probability ratios to determine the extent to which accurate perception was possible. (For a complete list, visit Nicole Oresme Bibliography by Ulrich Taschow)

Roman Catholic Church Never Condemned Father Copernicus’s Heliocentric Theory 1473 -1543:

Father Copernicus’s work of Celestial Bodies was embraced by The Roman Catholic Church, Presented To Copernicus on the day he in fact died, and the work was dedicated to Pope Paul III.

Copernicus’s Work on the revolutions of the Celestial Bodies (Heliocentricity) was finished around 1528 , revealing his genius in grasping the truth long before it could be proved. He hesitated to publish it, but, influenced by the spread of the doctrine and the urging of Cardinal Schönberg, Archbishop of Capua, and Bishop Giese of Culm, he surrendered his manuscripts for publication. The work was seen through the press by Schöner and Osiander, in Nuremberg, appearing just before the death of Copernicus. It was dedicated to Pope Paul III.

The Protestants and specifically a Lutheran theologian named ‘Osiander’, in order to please Martin Luther and Philipp Melanchthon, introduced the word “hypothesis” on the title page, and substituted a new preface without permission. The Protestant theologians soon objected to the theory and continued to do so. Catholic opposition began seventy-three years later, at the time of the Galileo affair. The book was put temporarily on the Index (1616) till nine sentences declaring the system certain were removed or changed until validated. Heliocentricity was validated and reconciled in 1741 with the Roman Catholic Church.

Medicines to be validated by peer review can take DECADES! Who is Fox News trying to fool here? Why is Fox News applying a different set of standards to science during Galileo’s time vs our time, why? Why shouldn’t Fox News be required to register with the State Department as a foreign agent of Saudi Arabia? A reasonable question when a leading member of the ruling family of the sharia-totalitarian “kingdom” of Saudi Arabia, Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, has made himself the second-largest shareholder of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp., Fox News’ parent company.

Fox News Distortion Of Copernicus
Father Copernicus

:rotfl: The “Fox News Distortion” is an AP news article (i.e. the same news article that CBS put on its website). :stuck_out_tongue:

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