Hello all, and here was his comments about thinking all visions are either natural phenomenal or hallucinations, starting with Bernadette of Lourdes:
The answer she got was, “I am the Immaculate conception.”
You know, if you go back into the Aramaic, you find virgin is actually just young woman. It appears to be a translation error, kind of like maid and maiden in English.
However regarding the vision, she had been taking to people, and I am sure she had one or two suggestions for her visions from other people. I note however it wasn’t until many viewings of ‘the lady’ that she was to be identified.
"she was told she had seen Mary. "
Yeah, I bet she was. Sorry, but the story is suspicious. Also the vision instructed the construction of a shrine. Good girl, she brought her family out of starvation. I feel quite warm towards her.
Do you honestly believe that there is no likelihood that after having many visions of this lady in a cave, that someone wouldn’t have suggested who it might be to the girl?
Do you not think that this is likely, and if it is likely that it would have affected her ‘vision’?
Besides once again, the vision is subjective. Subjective truth has not advanced mankind, objective truth has. Had Mary appeared to a crowd of people told them of god and so on, left a weird heaven radiation in the ground, which was a perfect after image, and then vanished up into the heavens. That would have been a lot more convincing to me. Since it is objective, it rules out tricks of the mind, lies, and hallucinations.
"Bernadette never speculated on the lady’s identity, she did always refer to her as “Aquero,” the patois word for “indescribable being.” "
I guarantee you that had she lived in ancient Roman times, the woman would have been identified as Aphrodite, had she lived in India, she would have been identified as one of their pantheon.
Why is it that Christian visions occur in countries and people who have Christian culture, and Hindi visions occur in countries and people which have Hindi culture?
“the Church is always, “Skeptical” of visions etc.”
Of course they are. All these visions are contradictory, you cannot accept them all. If you did you would look like a fool. They must reject the majority of them.
If we can’t scientifically prove what is divine or generated from the mind, then what is the point of those learned men of the church? If they cannot prove one way or the other, then they are just going with what they want to believe is and isn’t a vision, picking and choosing by what conforms to their predetermined beliefs.
"if it is not detrimental, then what is the harm in allowing for the possibility of a Divine Source? Nothing. "
Sure, in fact in that girls case the visions were very beneficial to her and her family.
The problem is that it is a skyhook. It doesn’t actually advance our understanding of how things work, how best to improve ourselves or our world. A crane is a much better solution cranes can be used to build things. However to make a crane, you must start from the bottom up. This is how science works.
“Why do you dismiss all visions as not divine?”
Well, the same reason I dismiss Bigfoot stories. I look for evidence then draw conclusions from said evidence. Since there is no evidence for the divine or for god, I dismiss them as I do with Bigfoot and just as with Bigfoot, if evidence shows up, I will be willing to change my position.
“You cannot do that scientifically until all questions are answered for”
Only when you demand absolute knowledge, since I say that’s impossible…
Also, if you apply the same demands of absolute knowledge upon your religious convictions, they fail too, everything does. Except as Socrates once said “the only true knowledge is the knowledge that we know nothing”
"God exists behind the question, “WHY”. "
I am reminded of the Discworld novels, in which the wizards of unseen university create a powerful thinking machine to answer the difficult questions. To see what would happen, they typed “WHY?” into hex. After a while, hex responds with “Because!”
And so it finishes, that’s what he said. I’m trying my best to gather a good response. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.