[quote="Bohm_Bawerk, post:1, topic:254764"]
As some of you may know, I've been going through a very rough period, which was exacerbated yesterday after receiving some highly upsetting news. Over 1 year or so, I've been like Jacob and I have "wrestled" with God as it were, but I can say that I'm definitely edging towards atheism. I think that's a fact I have to state plainly. I currently see religion as a form of psychological self-delusion, and religion as a form of psychological self-delusionis really just that. And I mean that charitably - not trying to put anyone down. This probably explains why vocations in the Western world is on a steady decline. I'm not American, but I heard the situation is so bad in America there are Catholic megachurches, as well as priests who are overworked because of presiding over a number of parishes.
I've stopped attending Mass. Now, I'm putting my efforts more productively into how to straighten up my life after seeing it completely shattered yesterday.
However, I still want to follow Catholic teaching on morality, because I agree with a lot of it. I even deplore acts such as abortion and birth control. I just want to be a good person. When I say "good person", I do not mean a saint who goes through mortification and serious penance, whipping themselves and chastening themselves ultimately for a "cosmic reward". No. When I say "good person", I mean someone who is charitable, lends a shoulder to those in need, is concerned about others, etc. It's best expressed in the Book of Isaiah: "Take your evil deeds out of my sight! Stop doing wrong, learn to do right! Seek justice, encourage the oppressed. Defend the cause of the fatherless, plead the case of the widow" (Isaiah 1:16-17)
What's your opinion on this? Also, please no proselytizing such as "give God another chance", because I'm really not going to listen and I have to fix up my own life, and that involves using the time I have productively. Do you think in the grand scheme of things, an atheist can follow Catholic morality?
Please, do not give god a chance !!!At least to your god (notice the "g").
Do you know, Bohm Bawerk, I do not believe in God either. In your "g"od. It is such a little god, so small, so tiny, that I do not believe in "g"od.
I wondered which god you were wrestling with, whether it was GOD or god? I think it was god, because you won. You became atheist. Now, if it were with GOD, wou would never win, for HE is invencible.
Now coming into details:
1. "religion as a form of psychological self-delusion": I do not believe in religion classified that way, as the "opium of the peoples". No opium for me, please. Marx told the same and what happened to the communist experiment of 100 years? Hundreds (!!!) of millions of deads and the "Implosion" of the system. I repeat implosion for no one attacked it. It was rotten from the inside. Rotten 100 year experiment to live a life where ther could be no religion at all. Krutschev once said "no matter what, we cannot take religion of the heart of the peasant", and they killed, and they tortured, and they deported, and theyburned books and destroyed 3000 churces and in the end? The first thing the children of the children fo the ol christians of free Russia, smashed everythin that the communists built to re-created the magnificente Church of St Basilius in the heart of Kremlin. They were indoctrinated tothe idea of religion as a self-delusion and what they did? they just turn their backs to that god and pais with little money they had the Church tothe TRUE GOD.
- "everything about it (from miracles, to revelation, etc) is really just that." You should prove that. But if you are certain, I cannot say any more. Though, if you go Lourdes, you may see (and the french are not dumb) 80 and more miracles there proved. I saw the descritpion. In Lourdes, there is a panel of doctors of all ideologies, atheists, protestan, christians and so on. If someone claims that there was a miracle, they will go through all the medical tests of all kinds of specialities and say: "Is there a scientific explanation for the cure? If there is the slightest doubt, it is put immediately aside. If 100% of the doctors say no, it is declared that there is no scientifical explanation. BUT not a miracle. See how careful the Church is. Then goes through another exhaustive process of seeing who ther person is, was she praying to whom, hwy, and goes through a panel of Bishops. and only when they are satisfied bye her answers, then it is declared a miracle. forinstance, how to explain a miracle of Lourds where a soldier had a bone-cancer (there were no bones at all in the X-RAy for the cancer had eaten them) and was cured.
If you saw the NASA experiments on the Holy shrouhd you would be puzzled.
And if you readn the scientists explantion of life on EArth, you woul see that Life is a miracle. The solar System is positioned right in the right spot in the Via Latea. If it was more towards the center, it would be too hot, if more away, too cold. The Earth is on the ritght spot in the Solar system, again, if closer, too hot....I would have to write 10 pages to explain. But if you study science, you see, Life, is a miracle and not a self delusion. But you must study science carefully. I read a book on the History of Matematics (700 pages) and when finishes, I said: "there must be a God.
finally, you are absolutely right on doing good thngd to others.
So, please, throw your god through the window.
Please, give God a chance.