[quote=scriabin]Boy, can we whine or what!
A whole lotta stories and a whole lotta advice about liturgical abuse goes on in this forum. I’m a good whiner; but I’m no good at fixing things.
Yeah, I’ve talked to the priest as a concerned parishoner should–no luck. They don’t care what canon law or the rubrics say–they’re gonna do it how they wanna do it.
After the 2nd or 3rd time you speak up, the front office gets to know you as the gadfly–then they write you off before you even open your mouth!
I’ve learned to just shut up. (I live in Phoenix where we have the option to choose from more than a dozen good parishes, including Latin Rite, so it doesn’t bother me *that * much).
My question is this:
Has anyone here–personally,1st hand, ever gotten an abuse fixed by the advice given here?
examples of advice given:
ask the musicians to turn down their amps
talk to the priest
talk to the liturgy commitee
write a letter to your Bishop
quote canon law
know the rubrics
letter to the Vatican
Have you personally (no “I heard about this” or “this is what we should do” stories) ever made a change for the better?
Did you have “pull”? (Were you a member of the Parish Council, for example).
Are you a good “office politics” person?
Thankyou for any response, yea or nay, to these questions.
The people in this forum are great! Intelligent, experienced and willing to share.
Yes! Our parish routinely gives Communion under both kinds, and a couple of years ago there was quite a large minority of people who would “dunk” or self-intinct the Host in the chalice. None of the Communion ministers, or even the priest, had the guts to tell them “don’t do that”.
I wrote a polite and comprehensive letter to the parish priest and the liturgy committee, pointing out that self-intinction is not allowed by the Church’s rules, and that contrary to the apparently popular belief, it is also less, not more, hygienic than drinking from the chalice. I provided references to documents and articles supporting my arguments.
The priest then said he realised I was right and he basically reproduced my points in the parish bulletin for several weeks, as well as reminding people orally several times that this is not acceptable, and instructing the ministers of the chalice to, if a communicant attempts to “dip” the Host, withdraw the chalice and ask them to eat the Host first.
I don’t have any special “pull” except that I’m fairly active in the parish and I have expertise in the health area.
I think to change things you see which are wrong you need to:
- Always be polite, but persistent.
- Pick the right time.
- Pick the right issues. If you constantly complain about every trivial thing, people will ignore you when you complain about a MAJOR issue that REALLY concerns you.
- Always be charitable. Assume that people are acting from noble motives until proven otherwise.
- Always be ready to provide written evidence to support your position. But don’t dump it all on people first off to try to bulldoze them. They may only need a little push. They might realise that the wrong thing is happening and want to correct it, but they fear that they might get more criticism than support if they try to.