Ban on burkas comes into force in Switzerland with anyone wearing a full face veil subject to £8,000 fines


#1

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678717/Ban-burkas-comes-force-Switzerland-wearing-face-veil-subject-8-000-fines.html?ito=social-facebook


#2

I do not see this ending well.


#3

People will comply, just as they did in France.

In 2004, a year after the law was voted in, one organization opposed to it, called the “Committee of the 15th of March and Liberty,” published a report on the law’s effects. The report cites the files of 806 students affected by the law. Of the 806 students, 533 have accepted the law and no longer wear their veils in class.[33] The report also gives an assessment of students who have left the French school system because of this issue. Among them, 67 have pursued their studies abroad. Another 73 of those 806 suspended or expelled from schools over the veil have chosen to take government-run CNED correspondence courses in order to finish their studies. The number of those who have chosen to study via other, non-government forms of correspondence schools is unknown.[citation needed]

The opening of the 2005 school year passed largely without incident, and opposition to the law seems to have given way to broader public opinion.[34] However, the actual number of those who no longer attend French junior high and high schools over their veils is unknown.


#4

The problem is that without the moral authority that comes from an authentic Faith, this is simply just a “your practice offends me” law. :frowning:


#5

Or more accurately “your practice is a security risk” law.


#6

One of the benefits of not joining the EU, they can make their own laws.


#7

Got me there. :slight_smile:


#8

That’s terrible. Forcing people to home school or leave the country for education based on religion?


#9

Or it’s great as it forces people to not hide their faces in public which is a public security risk.


#10

Except France is in the EU and they’ve banned burqas for some time. It’s not a EU matter anyway, human rights are for the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights) which is entirely separate from the EU.

The ECHR upheld the French ban, by the way.

So, not a benefit of not joining the EU then. :slight_smile:


#11

Whilst walking around our local shopping centre a couple of winters ago with my son, who is 36 yrs old married father and company general manager, so not a thug he was approached by very unfriendly security staff and made to take his hood off. It was snowing hard outside and he was wearing a padded hooded warm jacket.
I calmly and politely pointed out people wearing hats, scarves and yes, hijabs on their heads and I was threatened with being escorted outside. The reason given was that my son presented a theft and security risk by wearing a hood instore !!! WHAT ???
My point being if you are going to enforce this kind of law then surely it has to apply to anyone who covers their face by whatever means, or wears any kind of loose billowing clothing, not just those who wear it as a symbol of their religion.


#12

As I understand it the original law as written applied to balaclavas, masks, etc… as well.


#13

h boo hoo, my husband was asked to remove a woolly hat before entering a pub/restaurant so that the cameras could “clock him”,no problem. I would not be allowed to enter either of our banks like this.In a country where bombs have killed residents,its not a question of moral authority or lack of it.


#14

France’s idea of liberte is balanced by the concept of egalite rather than the more America formula of liberty in the context of an individual’s pursuit of their own happiness. There is more an expectation of conformity around a common identity, not unlike many Catholic schools with uniform policies.
More to the point being made, it did end well enough in France, so the fears of the poster that I was responding to are unfounded, if neighbouring France is any indication of what the future holds for Switzerland.

In terms of Islamic rights, I would welcome negotiations, in which their complaints of living in a secular country of Christendom are met with reciprocity of Christians or others who are living in Islamic countries.
A little reciprocity is in order here.


#15

my credit union has a paper posted before you enter - no hoodies, hats, scarves, or sunglasses to be worn inside. we live at 7000 ft. in the mountains and it is very cold in the winter. I realize it is for security reasons. we all comply.


#16

So can nations in the EU as France has a similar law as pointed out earlier in the thread.


#17

So, perhaps Franciscan brothers should not be allowed to wear the brown habit because they can hide things under them:shrug:?


#18

Remind me: How many Radical Franciscans executed mass attacks in the past 10 years?


#19

Do Franciscans regularly wander around in public with their hoods up concealing their faces?


#20

Did they ban burkas so they could be more secular or did they do it because of terrorism concerns?


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