Are the New Testament references to being “baptized with the Holy Spirit” dealing with the sacrament of confirmation? Or baptism? Or both? Thanks.
Im pretty sure when Paul mentions that he is talking about Baptism.
13 For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free; and in one Spirit we have all been made to drink. .-1Cor12
Hi CK, The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for all believers adopted into the family of God , It is how one enters the body 1 Cor12:13, Gal. 3:26-28. Eph. 5:18 tells us to be continually filled with the Spirit, in other words give him control of our lives, it is a daily thing ( Rom 12). Protestants would say that happens at conversion, your tradition views it at water baptism. Pentecostals use the term to refer to being “filled with the Spirit” from Acts 2. If you read through the book of Acts, look for phrases like “filled with the spirit” “full of the spirit” and Spirit with words like poured out on, upon, etc., In each case, one gains renewed strength to walk in accordance with God’s will, be it boldness to share Christ with others or strength to remain silent around a foolish person who is not open to correction.
[quote=CollegeKid]Are the New Testament references to being “baptized with the Holy Spirit” dealing with the sacrament of confirmation? Or baptism? Or both? Thanks.
Ask a Catholic Charismatic, they are the only ones that have a clue.
[quote=SolaChristo]Ask a Catholic Charismatic, they are the only ones that have a clue.
So—outside of Catholic Charismatic groups there is no understanding? What proof do you have of this? I can think of many writers and theologians that stretch back centuries, but you’re only going to grant understanding to one group of Catholics?
Who died and made you pope?
There is only one Baptism.
The gift of the Holy Spirit at Confirmation which completes the grace of baptism.
CCC 1287 This fullness of the Spirit was not to remain uniquely the Messiah’s, but was to be communicated to the whole messianic people.94 On several occasions Christ promised this outpouring of the Spirit,95 a promise which he fulfilled first on Easter Sunday and then more strikingly at Pentecost.96 Filled with the Holy Spirit the apostles began to proclaim “the mighty works of God,” and Peter declared this outpouring of the Spirit to be the sign of the messianic age.97 Those who believed in the apostolic preaching and were baptized received the gift of the Holy Spirit in their turn.98
CCC 1288 "From that time on the apostles, in fulfillment of Christ’s will, imparted to the newly baptized by the laying on of hands the gift of the Spirit that completes the grace of Baptism. For this reason in the Letter to the Hebrews the doctrine concerning Baptism and the laying on of hands is listed among the first elements of Christian instruction. The imposition of hands is rightly recognized by the Catholic tradition as the origin of the sacrament of Confirmation, which in a certain way perpetuates the grace of Pentecost in the Church."99
CCC 1289 Very early, the better to signify the gift of the Holy Spirit, an anointing with perfumed oil (chrism) was added to the laying on of hands. This anointing highlights the name “Christian,” which means “anointed” and derives from that of Christ himself whom God "anointed with the Holy Spirit."100 This rite of anointing has continued ever since, in both East and West. For this reason the Eastern Churches call this sacrament Chrismation, anointing with chrism, or myron which means “chrism.” In the West, the term Confirmation suggests that this sacrament both confirms and strengthens baptismal grace.
Sherlock, if you cannot control yourself, please do not post.
Generally speaking, charismatic Catholics are more studied on the workings and the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the movements, etc, than the average Cradle Catholic. I personally did not understand any of it (nor almost any catholic i knew growing up), but now that i have joined charismatic prayer groups, this makes alot of sense. i do not have any resourses with me, but there are some who do.
Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a term that comes to us from the pentecostal Churches of the last century or so. The term means basically that one turns to Jesus and committs to let him be the center of their life and asks that the Holy Spirit falls on them as described in Acts. It is not technically a Baptism or re-Baptism as we Catholics understand the Sacrament, nor is it equivalent to Confirmation. I often have desribed it as once having received the gift of the Holy Spirit in Baptism and Confirmation some Catholics put the gift on the shelf of the closet and never bother to open the package and use it. I suppose that is to say they do not live their lives as one might expect of Spirit filled faithful Catholic Christians. Persons of other Faiths might describe being Baptized in the Spirit as being “born again.” Catholic Charismatics believe that many of the gifts described in Pauls epistles are still available and given to us today; gifts like healing, teaching, prophecy, tongues, etc. I like to recall that the greatest gift was love.