Baptism


#1

If water baptism will take away sins,then why did Our Lord die for are sins ?


#2

Baptism, as it is, is the death and rebirth of a person to Christ. It is closely linked to the Cross and the Resurrection, so you can see its relationship between Jesus’ Passion, death and Resurrection.


#3

[quote=Will Pick]If water baptism will take away sins,then why did Our Lord die for are sins ?
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It does not take away sins as the sacrament of reconciliation (confession) does. It cleanses only the stain of original sin, indoctrinates the Baptised into the body of Christ or the new covenant as circumcision did for the old covenant, and endows the participant with a measure of grace.

Also, like the Jewish Mikvah, it is a ritual cleansing that prepares the individual for participating in religious ritual and ceremonies. (Sacraments.)

Thal59


#4

[quote=Will Pick]If water baptism will take away sins,then why did Our Lord die for are sins ?
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Baptism is a means that Christ uses to apply the merits of the Cross which include the forgiveness of sins. The Sacrament of Baptism forgives personal sins if there are any and washes away Original sin.


#5

St. Paul links water baptism with the saving death of Our Lord this way:
3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:3-4)
[size=2]12 and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. (Colossians 2:12-14)

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#6

[quote=Todd Easton]St. Paul links water baptism with the saving death of Our Lord this way:
3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:3-4)
[size=1]12 [/size]and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. (Colossians 2:12-14)

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Dont forget Titus Ch3:
4 but when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, 6 which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life.


#7

[quote=Will Pick]If water baptism will take away sins,then why did Our Lord die for are sins ?
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Baptism is a mere instrument of God, just like the mud was an instrument for Jesus when curing the blind man.

The efficient cause of justification the merciful God who washes and sanctifies gratuitously. The meritorious cause is our Lord Jesus Christ, who merited for us justification by His most holy passion on the wood of the cross. (cf. Trent decree on Justification, Session VI, Jan. 13, 1547)


#8

[quote=Thal59]It does not take away sins as the sacrament of reconciliation (confession) does. It cleanses only the stain of original sin, indoctrinates the Baptised into the body of Christ or the new covenant as circumcision did for the old covenant, and endows the participant with a measure of grace.

Also, like the Jewish Mikvah, it is a ritual cleansing that prepares the individual for participating in religious ritual and ceremonies. (Sacraments.)

Thal59
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Incorrect. Baptism remits all sin, personal and original.


#9

[quote=Thal59]It does not take away sins as the sacrament of reconciliation (confession) does. It cleanses only the stain of original sin, indoctrinates the Baptised into the body of Christ or the new covenant as circumcision did for the old covenant, and endows the participant with a measure of grace.

Also, like the Jewish Mikvah, it is a ritual cleansing that prepares the individual for participating in religious ritual and ceremonies. (Sacraments.)

Thal59/QUOTE\

People in RCIA that are older men and women did not have confession because they are getting baptist for the first time,so baptism does take away sins,Are my Church is wrong
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#10

As itsjustdave1988 said above Baptism removes both original sin and personal sin. Of course if you commit mortal sins after baptism then you have to go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation to confess.
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