Baptists/Mary/The Passion


#1

Did you know that Mel Gibson re-cut The Passion to promote Mary to kids? That’s what I heard today from a Baptist co-worker. Mary is now the star of the The Passion! What!!! Oh, yes, we’ve just discovered that Pilate’s wife giving Mary towels which Mary uses to wipe up Jesus’ blood is NOT in the Bible. OH MY! Furthermore, there is no scripture which says that Mary held Jesus BUT Joseph of Arimethea did. WHAT!!! Me: What does scripture say about Jesus? That the gospels don’t contain everything that Jesus said or did, right? Her: Yes. Me: Why should that not apply to the whole of Jesus’ life including what his Mother did? Her: It’s not in the Bible. Me: What is the problem? Pilate’s wife had the dream and warned Pilate, why couldn’t she bring towels to Mary? Her: It’s not in the Bible. Me: What possible difference could it make to the story of the Passion? Her: It’s not in the Bible. Me: AAAAAGGHHH! Her: Mary did not hold her Son at the foot of the cross. Me. WHAT? DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT? Her: It’s not in the Bible? Me: If it were your son would you not have cradled his body? Her: No, its not in the Bible. Me: I didn’t ask if it was in the Bible. I asked if it were your son what would you do? Her: Blank stare. Me: This isn’t rocket science. It has been portrayed throughout history, the most sublime was Michelangelo’s Pieta! Her: It’s not in the Bible. Joseph of Arimethea took care of the body. Me: AAAAGGHH! Don’t you think that His Mother would have had something to do with preparing His body for the tomb? Her: Well, I suppose so. Me: OK what happened to the cup that Jesus used in the Last Supper? Her: Mary went back and took it. Me: What about Joseph of Arimethea? Her: Oh, he got it for Mary. Me: Where is that in the Bible? Joseph of Arimethea took the cup to Glastonbury Tor in Britain. Her: He did? Me: That’s what tradition about the Holy Grail says. Her: What’s the Holy Grail?

Folks, let me tell you that I was floored by this conversation and that’s just the start of it. It went downhill from there. This woman had NO concept of history. None, whatsoever. I asked her where she got the Bible from. Jesus. Jesus? Yes, Jesus inspired the writers of the New Testament. What about the Gospel of Thomas? There is no Gospel of Thomas. How do you know that? Who set what was canonical or not in the Bible? Jesus.

For all of you who have the patience to deal with this…my hat is off to you. By the end of the conversation, I was really, really upset. Not about matters of faith, but rather about this woman’s complete and utter lack of what went on in the 1500 years before sola scriptura. She said the Catholic Church was founded AFTER Martin Luther!!! AAAAAGGGGH! A very frustrated Brother Hrolf!


#2

LOL, I have dealt with it often. On the bright side many were moved by how Mary was portrayed. It was a movie after all and so has poetic license. Some Protestants had an aha moment. Ask her where the word “bible” is found in the bible, hee hee.


#3

I’ll deal about “The Passion” first. After watching the movie, I didn’t come away thinking Mary became the star of it. She was central to the story, but she was not the star. It was Jesus. The point highlighted by the movie was the connection, or bond, between Jesus and Mary. How Mary’s faithfulness to her Son gave her the courage to follow Him. As for the other points–I’ll go through that sometime.


#4

Aren’t some of the extra-Biblical seens based on an apparition or a vision by some saint?


#5

Jesus splashes water on Mary. That’s not in the Bible either but it is a perfect human reaction. As for the other things in the movie, I believe they were based upon the Sorrowful Mysteries and the Stations of the Cross (loosely). Jesus falls more than three times in the movie. Veronica’s Veil (the imprint of the face of Jesus) still exists, I think. We’d have to ask Fr. Ambrose because I think the Eastern Orthodox have/had it. Can’t prove the Shroud of Turin but I think that’s authentic.


#6

I remember when the Passion first came out there were many protestant leaders complaining that the movie was full of non-bibilcal scenes and the movie was too “Catholic.”

If they don’t like Mel’s version, who’s stopping them from making their own “KJV” of the Passion?

Sadly it’s in many protestants very nature to protest all things Catholic.

P.S. brotherhrolf, I shot you a PM.


#7

Exactly what do the baptists think was going on in Jesus’s life for the first 30 yrs?
Their refusal to acknowledge Mary’s role in Jesus’s life is comical.

You might want to pass this website onto some of your baptist friends. Fair is fair.

members.aol.com/uticacw/baptist/bibletruth.html


#8

[quote=brotherhrolf]Did you know that Mel Gibson re-cut The Passion to promote Mary to kids? That’s what I heard today from a Baptist co-worker. Mary is now the star of the The Passion! What!!! Oh, yes, we’ve just discovered that Pilate’s wife giving Mary towels which Mary uses to wipe up Jesus’ blood is NOT in the Bible. OH MY! Furthermore, there is no scripture which says that Mary held Jesus BUT Joseph of Arimethea did. WHAT!!! Me: What does scripture say about Jesus? That the gospels don’t contain everything that Jesus said or did, right? Her: Yes. Me: Why should that not apply to the whole of Jesus’ life including what his Mother did? Her: It’s not in the Bible. Me: What is the problem? Pilate’s wife had the dream and warned Pilate, why couldn’t she bring towels to Mary? Her: It’s not in the Bible. Me: What possible difference could it make to the story of the Passion? Her: It’s not in the Bible. Me: AAAAAGGHHH! Her: Mary did not hold her Son at the foot of the cross. Me. WHAT? DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT? Her: It’s not in the Bible? Me: If it were your son would you not have cradled his body? Her: No, its not in the Bible. Me: I didn’t ask if it was in the Bible. I asked if it were your son what would you do? Her: Blank stare. Me: This isn’t rocket science. It has been portrayed throughout history, the most sublime was Michelangelo’s Pieta! Her: It’s not in the Bible. Joseph of Arimethea took care of the body. Me: AAAAGGHH! Don’t you think that His Mother would have had something to do with preparing His body for the tomb? Her: Well, I suppose so. Me: OK what happened to the cup that Jesus used in the Last Supper? Her: Mary went back and took it. Me: What about Joseph of Arimethea? Her: Oh, he got it for Mary. Me: Where is that in the Bible? Joseph of Arimethea took the cup to Glastonbury Tor in Britain. Her: He did? Me: That’s what tradition about the Holy Grail says. Her: What’s the Holy Grail?

Folks, let me tell you that I was floored by this conversation and that’s just the start of it. It went downhill from there. This woman had NO concept of history. None, whatsoever. I asked her where she got the Bible from. Jesus. Jesus? Yes, Jesus inspired the writers of the New Testament. What about the Gospel of Thomas? There is no Gospel of Thomas. How do you know that? Who set what was canonical or not in the Bible? Jesus.

For all of you who have the patience to deal with this…my hat is off to you. By the end of the conversation, I was really, really upset. Not about matters of faith, but rather about this woman’s complete and utter lack of what went on in the 1500 years before sola scriptura. She said the Catholic Church was founded AFTER Martin Luther!!! AAAAAGGGGH! A very frustrated Brother Hrolf!
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I attended a Independent Baptist Church for three years. I completly understand your frustration. But you need to pray for patience. You could be a tremendous influence on this woman.


#9

folks do really get stupid with this sola sola…

Pio


#10

[quote=hlgomez]folks do really get stupid with this sola sola…

Pio
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LOL and LOL for the forst post.

I’ve said it many times and I’ll say it again, “to be steeped in history is to cease to be protestant.” – John Cardinal Newman.


#11

[quote=brotherhrolf]A very frustrated Brother Hrolf!
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I can understand your frustration! I grew up Baptist, but luckily have always loved history. One of the things that has lead me to the Catholic Church! :smiley: Though I hate to admit it, but when I was much younger, I used to think John the Baptist started the Baptist denomination! :whacky:
Well, you could always ask her where alter calls, the Trinity, grape juice used as wine, ect are in the Bible.


#12

Man! I have been a Southern Baptist (not now Thank You God!), but I knew then that we don’t know everything about the lives portrayed in The Passion (which I haven’t seen, by the way). I think I would have thrown up my hands and walked away long before you did. I don’t think this woman reads her Bible (KJV or otherwise), or she would have known some of this stuff. Kust because something is not in the Bible doesn’t mean it did or didn’t happen that way. Jimineee!

You have me on the Holy Grail stuff before Arthurian legend, but STILL! I got frustrated just reading your thread. I am praying for you Brother!

J


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