He argues because of this, gays are hated and persecuted “en masse” and we need to let them have the right to get married.
There is no Constitutional right to marriage. People cannot just make-up rights.
If they are so persecuted, why are all these polls claiming that a majority or near-majority support so-called “gay marriage”?
And what about all these parades? Gee, it sure must be hateful and bigoted to shutdown major cities for what? 3-10% of the population to celebrate their sexual identity?
Or how about lumping in GLBTQ issues as a form of affirmative action?
Yeah, such an expression of hatred! Grrr…
And look, you’re going to hear that a lot from anti-Catholic progressives. No matter how much money and recognition they get, they are still going to** play the victim**. :rolleyes:
He says when we don’t treat people equally, it gives people the perceived right to bully people (he is always referring to gays when he is arguing these points).
I got news for your friend:** mandating equality is the OPPOSITE of freedom** and liberty.
It’s very dangerous to have the government issue **equal outcomes as opposed to equal opportunity.
Homosexual acts are behaviors, not a race.
I argue we as Christians have the religious freedom to oppose same-sex marriage and we are, generally, not hateful towards people who are gay. But he keeps assuming we’re homophobic, hateful, persecutors of homosexuals, and we as Christians would be better off just to give up our opposition to same-sex marriage.
Freedom of religion is specifically stated in the Constitution.
The conversation ends up like that because they cannot refute the substance of your points.
There’s no point in talking to someone like that.
But you may want to ask your friend if she/he feels the same about Islam, or if Christians have the dubious honor of these largely unfounded, ridiculous generalizations.
Personally, I find a lot of people who support so-called “gay marriage” aren’t interested in stirring the pot with Islam, Judaism, Buddhism or even Churches with substantial % of minorities because in the end, the movement is to serve the whims of big government politicians, but that’s another topic.
And they’re just afraid of them.
How can I counter this? I am a little sick of being assumed to be hateful because I believe in traditional values. Oh, and this person tells me he is a Christian but he doesn’t respect my faith that tells me I cannot, in good conscience, support same-sex marriage.
There’s plenty of threads on here that discuss the issue. I try to get people to argue on the secular economics of it. The short version is that the only reason the state subsidizes straight marriages are for rearing healthy children to continue on the culture. They’ll tell you in return that not all straights will have kids, but a gay couple cannot procreate without third party assistance.
Help please, where am I going wrong?!?
No where. I doubt your friend would listen no matter what you said.